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Title: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on June 30, 2017, 05:10:20 AM
Radio station KDKA (AM 1020 - Pittsburgh) reminding listeners early this morning today (30 June) is last day of Commonwealth's fiscal year.  Wolf and the RINOs have agreed to a spending budget without as yet adequate funding for all their spending.  We are US$1B+ short!

This situation has once again triggered a call from the Wolf to tax natural gas via a severance tax.  And since a gas patch RINO like Garth Everett now agrees with Wolf, who knows what lies ahead:

http://fox43.com/2017/06/29/pa-lawmakers-agree-on-31-9-billion-budget-might-borrow-money-to-balance/ (http://fox43.com/2017/06/29/pa-lawmakers-agree-on-31-9-billion-budget-might-borrow-money-to-balance/)

Taxation here in PA has become so bad I'm currently buying all my gasoline up in nearby New York!  Gasoline up there is roughly 25¢ less expensive per gallon than it is here in PA!

Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on June 30, 2017, 05:46:05 AM



  Much of a severance tax would be passed on the the NIMBY out of staters. Jersey and New York.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on June 30, 2017, 07:57:10 AM



  Much of a severance tax would be passed on the the NIMBY out of staters. Jersey and New York.

Is that how you're gonna pay YOUR share?

Of course we all know how much you luv, luv, luv paying taxes.

And please, spare us your "landowners will not have to pay" mumbo jumbo.   crazy

Only fools believe that.  What obvious nonsense! 
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on June 30, 2017, 08:19:15 AM



  Wolf has said that landowners would be exempt. Easily accomplished. Haven't caught him in a lot of lies like your boy in the white house.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on June 30, 2017, 08:50:55 AM



  Wolf has said that landowners would be exempt. Easily accomplished. Haven't caught him in a lot of lies like your boy in the white house.
What wolfie says may be just what he hopes for, not what it'll actually be.  How do you think the severance tax will mesh with the complete removal of property taxes?  Do you think all these various measures don't interact?  With Wolf and his ilk, including MOST pols, you cannot trust a promise, you can only assess what they do.  Stopping them before they do anything is good rather than trying to take back something already done.  Look at zero care if you doubt.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on June 30, 2017, 04:10:31 PM



  I haven't heard any plans for the complete removal of property tax. That will never happen. I would endorse some relief for some seniors. Not you G .
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on June 30, 2017, 06:33:46 PM



  I haven't heard any plans for the complete removal of property tax. That will never happen. I would endorse some relief for some seniors.
Take the corks out of your ears.  The noise is that they want to eliminate property tax entirely.  Do your research, I'm not going to help you since you do not appreciate it or believe it.  It makes even less sense to provide "relief" to any unique segment of the population.  Discriminating activity is a non starter in a fair society.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on June 30, 2017, 08:29:21 PM



  I think Wolfie is trying for some targeted property tax cuts. He's the guv.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: windycamel on July 01, 2017, 03:30:29 PM



  I think Wolfie is trying for some targeted property tax cuts. He's the guv.

what targets? provide some thoughts. Property tax laws are important. Severance tax, not so much.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 01, 2017, 04:03:32 PM



 Does it really matter. Nothing is going to get done. Its the new way.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 01, 2017, 08:11:36 PM



 Does it really matter. Nothing is going to get done. Its the new way.
Atta boy, an astute glimpse into the obvious, more's the pity.  However it is not an adequate answer to windy's question.  Why don't you just admit you haven't a clue and were just making noise?
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 02, 2017, 08:27:17 AM



 From what I have read there are two different plans and they both involve raising the sales and income taxes and reducing property taxes. There is going to be winners and losers . I tend to favor Democratic plans.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Rascal51 on July 02, 2017, 07:28:28 PM
While you all were considering who are the winners and losers among us lowly taxpayers by who pays sales, income and property taxes, you missed the big play of the game that makes all of us in rural PA the losers while urbanites are the winners. 

How so? By wresting control away from local school boards and county commissioners and placing it in Harrisburg.  H-burg decides how sales and income tax and a severance tax will be allocated. If any of you happened to look at how Wolfie re-aligned the school funding formulas the last time we had this little dance, the big winners were Philly and York County (where is Wolfie from again?  Oh yeah, now I remember) and to a certain extent Pittsburgh.  Pretty much everybody else were the losers.

That the current impact fee mostly benefits the areas where drilling occurs is a burr under the saddle of urban legislators and the Governor.  Local  government and schools with no ability to raise revenue are neutered.  Control will now come from Harrisburg.  Severance tax and the elimination of property taxes are not about the money.  It's about who has the political power.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 03, 2017, 05:01:41 AM
Well said, Rascal51.  It's always been about rural vs. urban here in PA.  Republicans are rural.  Democrats are urban.  It's just that simple.

Democrats want a severance tax which will benefit their urban constituents.  Rural people want the impact fee which benefits them.  Nothing could be more straightforward.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 03, 2017, 05:08:31 AM



  Wolf's latest proposal keeps the impact fee intact. Combine that with him exempting the landowners from paying tax. Then much of that tax being paid by out of state consumers it seems to me to be a good way to generate revenue for the state.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 03, 2017, 06:03:19 AM
Dunno about other landowners.  Everybody's situation is different.  For me, I got a lot of land which is unitized and HBP (held by production), but which also is not fully developed.  IOW, have maybe one well so far drilled and fracked and producing in a unit where some day there will be a total of four wells.  It would be nice if "some day" happens before I die.

So now, according to our city-boy friend from Colorado, Wolf is proposing DOUBLE TAXATION of PA natural gas production, with all that taxation to fall on the shoulders of the gas companies.  Oh, yeah!  That surely is going to incentivize the gas companies big time to come back here where I live and drill those extra wells I need so I can garner more royalties.  After all, if you want MORE of something, tax the sh*t out of it.  Right?

Uh, wait a moment.  I might have misspoke there. ::) :-\

Anyway, I actually live in PA and helped put President Trump over the top.

Colorado voted for known criminal Hillary Rodham Clinton!!!!!!!!!!    WABOA
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 03, 2017, 06:35:26 AM
  Wolf's latest proposal keeps the impact fee intact. Combine that with him exempting the landowners from paying tax. Then much of that tax being paid by out of state consumers it seems to me to be a good way to generate revenue for the state.
macal, your obvious petty jealousy of what you may or may not correctly identify, but certainly rant on about, as maybe, just maybe, some of the other children, maybe, just maybe, in some way, might be getting just a bit more than what you perceive should be their "fair share" is pathetic.  It's time that you at least tried to graduate from pre-kindergarten and put on your big boy pants and join the real world.  Government-enforced wealth distribution with the supposed/touted goal of some sort of equal sharing of all of the toys has often been tried since Karl Marx (Forget the Soviets, just read your US history sometime - over 20 or 30 independent Socialist town attempts in the 19th Century in the US) and all have failed miserably.  If your decayed and putrefied ideas weren't covered in the ideas of some great goals of true fairness, I would just ignore you.  But all should aware of your "Wolfs" hiding in sheep's clothing even if you yourself are not.  Yech!!!
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 03, 2017, 07:39:35 AM



 Save the Commie comments. PA needs just over 30 billion dollars of revenue to make ends meet . We have a flat 3% income tax. 6% sales tax. 10% corporate tax which no one pays near that.
  All the energy companies have been in the red so no revenue there. Pay the bills. Let Jersey and NY help.

Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 03, 2017, 08:11:13 AM
PA NEEDS to be reducing its expenses by about $30 billion (your figure) to make ends meet.  This works better for me than your so-called solution.  And, as to the commie comment, two thoughts:  First, let's just start calling a spade a spade, and, second, a rose by another name is still a rose.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 03, 2017, 08:37:51 AM

 Save the Commie comments. PA needs just over 30 billion dollars of revenue to make ends meet . We have a flat 3% income tax. 6% sales tax. 10% corporate tax which no one pays near that.
  All the energy companies have been in the red so no revenue there. Pay the bills. Let Jersey and NY help.

We?  You mean out there in Colorado?  Cause you do not live in Pennsylvania.  And you do not live anywhere CLOSE to here.

We?  I do not think so.  You are an outsider, with only an outsider's knowledge of our Commonwealth.  You want to say "We"?  Move back to Pennsylvania.  You are as much a Pennsylvanian today as I am a Coloradoan.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 03, 2017, 08:46:42 AM



  I consider myself more of a Pennsylvanian than you as you are some type of New Yorker. I pay thousands in taxes there and own multiple properties. A native from the heart of Chesapeake leaseholds ugh.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Rascal51 on July 03, 2017, 09:05:00 AM
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Combine that with him exempting the landowners from paying tax. -- macal

That's what Wolfie says but as a practical matter, I don't see how he can, with a wave of his royal scepter, overturn contract language in place and agreed to by both parties.  I'm not a lawyer but my limited knowledge of contract law leaves me very skeptical that the landowners will not end up paying the tax somehow.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 03, 2017, 09:17:16 AM



  One more time Kenneth, the gas company deducts it from the royalty to give to the state. What you pay is documented on the pay stub. Then when you do your state taxes you take a credit for the amount they deducted. Might have to do a little addition and subtraction.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 03, 2017, 09:26:23 AM



  I consider myself more of a Pennsylvanian than you as you are some type of New Yorker. I pay thousands in taxes there and own multiple properties. A native from the heart of Chesapeake leaseholds ugh.
Let the facts of residency speak.  You are a commie foreigner based simply on your out of state residence in a communist (progressive?) state.  I have to sympathize with the real Coloradans that tolerate the influx of pink and rainbow immigrants from other states.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 03, 2017, 09:35:26 AM



  One more time Kenneth, the gas company deducts it from the royalty to give to the state. What you pay is documented on the pay stub. Then when you do your state taxes you take a credit for the amount they deducted. Might have to do a little addition and subtraction.
That scheme will burden state and federal governments with excess beak wetting as the money passes thru and gets returned.
On the other hand, it will create jobs for the roll riders.

This budget imbalance must be corrected.  The way it should NOT be done is raising the tax burden.  First, cut fat heads, then fat. then fat programs.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 03, 2017, 09:49:47 AM
  One more time Kenneth, the gas company deducts it from the royalty to give to the state. What you pay is documented on the pay stub. Then when you do your state taxes you take a credit for the amount they deducted. Might have to do a little addition and subtraction.
So, Robin Hood is still alive, well, active and approved of by you - as long as it's not your or your cohort's pockets that are being tapped?  You might try leaving your fantasy world, if that's not too much like a fish leaving the water...  As far as I'm concerned you make a great portrait of what is meant by the phrase "Rocky Mountain High"...
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 03, 2017, 09:52:16 AM



  Feds got nothing to do with severance tax. But they do let you deduct 20% of your royalties from federal taxes.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 03, 2017, 10:03:37 AM
How sweet of them.  Will wonders never cease?
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Rascal51 on July 03, 2017, 11:04:24 AM
Federal percentage depletion is 15% not 20%.  If you can use cost depletion, the amount varies.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 04, 2017, 05:52:26 AM
Today is Independence Day.

Here is the flag most of us proudly display:

(http://www.workmall.com/flags/united_states_flag_files/us.gif)

And here is the flag macal proudly salutes:

(http://www.theodora.com/flags/new5/ussr.gif)

In Colorado macal's flag attracts quite a few supporters.  But here in Bradford County, PA, not so much.



Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 04, 2017, 06:06:15 AM



  You want to lock Hillary up and me as Rusky lover. Hardly. You had better watch out for Karma cuz its coming with a big load on your man in the Golden Tower in Manhattan.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 04, 2017, 06:32:54 AM
  You want to lock Hillary up and me as Rusky lover. Hardly. You had better watch out for Karma cuz its coming with a big load on your man in the Golden Tower in Manhattan.

Today is July fourth.  This is a day patriotic Americans celebrate our freedom and liberty.

Your kind was doing their celebrating back on May first. 

Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 04, 2017, 07:05:53 AM



  Are you celebrating how much you hate our government. Not me. That's why we are great.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 04, 2017, 07:28:22 AM
celebrating brexit 1776 today. an event when a bunch of pretty smart guys threw out a government that overtaxed them to cover their reckless spending.

seems that history repeats itself. here we are, trillions in debt, no end to the spending, and one party is against cutting our taxes to give us a little relief.

time to throw the bums out again. the only americans who are against these american principles, are the ones who benefit the most from the status quo. the freeloaders.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 04, 2017, 08:11:32 AM



  Are you celebrating how much you hate our government. Not me. That's why we are great.
Pull your head out, matty.  We are not great due to adding more taxes, we were great because we got that way before your taxes throttled progress.  Not so great these days due to overspending and increasing taxes to cover up.

There's nothing to hate about the government, it's the louts that ran the show deserving of approbation.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 04, 2017, 08:17:11 AM



 You mean back when the richest people actually paid taxes.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: moldyoak on July 04, 2017, 03:44:48 PM
They still do.  The primary division revolves around whether or not you think they "owe" more simply because they are rich.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 04, 2017, 04:30:18 PM
They still do.  The primary division revolves around whether or not you think they "owe" more simply because they are rich.
Spot on, moldy.  Matty read some alt news source that said the rich get free rides, and he believed it. I wonder if Al Gore pays his fair share ----
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 06, 2017, 09:26:47 AM
celebrating brexit 1776 today. an event when a bunch of pretty smart guys threw out a government that overtaxed them to cover their reckless spending.

seems that history repeats itself. here we are, trillions in debt, no end to the spending, and one party is against cutting our taxes to give us a little relief.

time to throw the bums out again. the only americans who are against these american principles, are the ones who benefit the most from the status quo. the freeloaders.

wj
Trillions in debt.    Cutting our taxes .     Oxymoron.  slaplaugh

Oxymoron Definition. Oxymoron is a figure of speech in which two opposite ideas are joined to create an effect
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 06, 2017, 09:43:28 AM



  Sucker born every minute, Wax.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 06, 2017, 11:06:51 AM



  Sucker born every minute, Wax.

Oh yes !  Make sure you give tax cuts to the wealthy ! so those trillions in debts will ?
Get larger or smaller ?   
Money will go to those who could not burn what they have, in a 55-gallon drum, in 100-years.
The only reason for hating BO-Care is that .09% tax on the first dollar over 250K of earnings after deduction for taxable income.  Billionaires pay millions toward poor working peoples healthcare.  Trump promised a better healthcare plan, by cutting the funding of the existing plan. Makes perfect sense to a moron.
Its hard for a normal person to imagine, what a disease called "greed " is.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 06, 2017, 12:10:44 PM
celebrating brexit 1776 today. an event when a bunch of pretty smart guys threw out a government that overtaxed them to cover their reckless spending.

seems that history repeats itself. here we are, trillions in debt, no end to the spending, and one party is against cutting our taxes to give us a little relief.

time to throw the bums out again. the only americans who are against these american principles, are the ones who benefit the most from the status quo. the freeloaders.

wj
Trillions in debt.    Cutting our taxes .     Oxymoron.  slaplaugh

Oxymoron Definition. Oxymoron is a figure of speech in which two opposite ideas are joined to create an effect
Unrelated.  Logic fail.  Cut spending to reduce debt, that then allows for reduced taxation for all, not just matty.  (Matty is the sucker, falling for liberal baits.)
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 06, 2017, 01:38:49 PM
it's a crazy mixed up world apparently...

today, we are called greedy if we want to keep more of what we have earned. what is ours.

in the world that I grew up in, people were greedy if they wanted to take other peoples money for the things that they wanted.

best example I can think of for an oxymoron would be, "wax the spelling champ"  slaplaugh

wj

Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 06, 2017, 08:23:57 PM
it's a crazy mixed up world apparently...

today, we are called greedy if we want to keep more of what we have earned. what is ours.

in the world that I grew up in, people were greedy if they wanted to take other peoples money for the things that they wanted.

best example I can think of for an oxymoron would be, "wax the spelling champ"  slaplaugh

wj
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Ronald Reagan started destroying America in 1982. Workers continue to decline today. Reagan the Union Buster.
 If you had no gas on your land, you would be far worst off.  Many more folks would be better off it Pen State told the Country of their hopes, of a large gas find near Montrose Pa. They mentioned it after most folks excepted low offers.
 
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 07, 2017, 05:18:19 AM
I retired over 20 years ago, gas hasn't made much of a difference in my lifestyle.

during the carter years, I couldn't buy a job. after Reagan took over, I had all the work I could handle, and was able to save enough money to pack it in and live as I pleased.

if you needed terry engelder to educate you on the gas prospects of the Marcellus, you likely weren't bright enough to handle lease negotiations anyway. it's better that you don't have to concern yourself about any of this any more.

wj



Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 07, 2017, 07:29:38 AM
I retired over 20 years ago, gas hasn't made much of a difference in my lifestyle.

during the carter years, I couldn't buy a job. after Reagan took over, I had all the work I could handle, and was able to save enough money to pack it in and live as I pleased.

if you needed terry engelder to educate you on the gas prospects of the Marcellus, you likely weren't bright enough to handle lease negotiations anyway. it's better that you don't have to concern yourself about any of this any more.

wj
Right again, as usually.   The graph  means nothing to you ? People have not prospered, with the wealthy since Reagan.
Sorry situation, when people only care about themselves, not the next, and following generations. Its a crime ,how the government, worked with the wealthy, to take back, everything, generations, before ours fought for. Those great folks, are rolling over in their graves, with disbelief.  We may live to see the last remaining Union.  The PBA    POLICE
You will be smiling than. :o
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 07, 2017, 07:44:10 AM
tell ya what wax, i'll send you a piece of cake to munch on. maybe that'll help you to stop whining about all of the greedy rich people who provide jobs for those who actually feel like working.

jealousy is an ugly thing, and when it turns to greed, it destroys those who succumb to its' allure.

sorry that you were never able to find your way to prosperity in this great nation of  ours, so full of opportunity.

 slaplaugh
   wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 07, 2017, 08:11:16 AM



  Same old stuff Wax. They have learned it well. Keep up the fight. The younger generation is catching on to what is happening so I am optimistic that we will see more economic justice in the future.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 07, 2017, 09:58:19 AM



  Same old stuff Wax. They have learned it well. Keep up the fight. The younger generation is catching on to what is happening so I am optimistic that we will see more economic justice in the future.
The younger generation?  The antifa fanboys you mean?  That is, the ones that protest everything, ESPECIALLY when free stuff is going to go away?  Or those that are so sensitive to English, properly used, that they are offended?  Or the ones that piss and moan about not being able to find a job because they took the easy classes instead of learning something?

Before you fight, learn something about what you are fighting for.  Seems nonsensical to be first in line to jump off the cliff when your idols (par ex. Wolf) tell you to.  Ask yourself why the idols are pushing from the rear rather than leading from the front.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 07, 2017, 10:54:57 AM
they know what they're fighting for g, economic justice!

you know...you have it, we want it, and we will vote only for people who promise to take it from you and give it to us.

economic justice warriors they are!  slaplaugh

and g, try to remember that matt is in reality a 15 yr. old living in his mothers' basement playing video games until his mom goes out, and he can get on the computer to bother the adults.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 07, 2017, 11:08:28 AM



  I wish I was 15 all over. Almost ready to start collecting my free stuff. Social Security. I haven't been sitting on my ass preaching to everyone for the last 20 years. Working, doing some deals, just making way. Stay working.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 07, 2017, 12:09:08 PM
free stuff?   didn't know ss was free     20 yrs working ready for retirement    are you for real or a product of someone's imagination just to get hits on this forum
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 07, 2017, 12:20:11 PM



  I wish I was 15 all over. Almost ready to start collecting my free stuff. Social Security. I haven't been sitting on my ass preaching to everyone for the last 20 years. Working, doing some deals, just making way. Stay working.
Which part of you is 15 since not all seems to be?  I'm rather suspicious that it is someplace between your ears and occupies the space where this should have been planted.  SS is NOT a freebie, and unless (as is possible) you have evaded paying into the system, it won't be a freebie for you, either.  Fact is, dot gov will return only part of what you (AND your employer(s) have paid in.  Dot gov has to have a share to watch over your money.

Economic justice my posterior.  It is nothing more than envy of those that produce rather than "making (questionable) deals."  When mom goes to the groc shoppe, he colludes with local pols to increase taxes.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 07, 2017, 01:00:04 PM
free stuff?   didn't know ss was free     20 yrs working ready for retirement    are you for real or a product of someone's imagination just to get hits on this forum

he gets confused rat. when you make up as much as he has over the years, it's easy to lose track of reality.

he'll be ok when mom gets back with his ebt snickers bars.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 07, 2017, 01:44:32 PM
and g, try to remember that matt is in reality a 15 yr. old living in his mothers' basement playing video games until his mom goes out, and he can get on the computer to bother the adults.
wj
  I wish I was 15 all over. Almost ready to start collecting my free stuff. Social Security. I haven't been sitting on my ass preaching to everyone for the last 20 years. Working, doing some deals, just making way. Stay working.
macal, you denied being 15, but said nothing about not "...living in his mothers' [sic] basement playing video games until his mom goes out, and he can get on the computer to bother the adults..."

Sorry, but I have to ask.  Does maybe doing a few chores around the house in exchange for an allowance and maybe contracting to mow some neighbor's lawn or shoveling their snow or some such thing count as your working and doing deals for the past 20 years?

And free ss?  Really? Ya gotta stop assisting in the harvesting of medical marijuana, it seems to be affecting your thinking.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 07, 2017, 02:13:36 PM
Anybody who wants to see how PA Democrat scum hold onto control, read this:

https://www.governor.pa.gov/governor-wolf-denies-trump-administration-request-for-voter-information/ (https://www.governor.pa.gov/governor-wolf-denies-trump-administration-request-for-voter-information/)

Withholding of that information is illegal and Wolf knows it.  He wants every PA city to become its own version of Hazleton.  Hillary did NOT win the popular vote, unless you count the votes of five million illegals.  Thank God there were not enough of them to give her a win here in Pennsylvania!

We will win this at the SCOTUS.  But it's going to take a lot of time, as the Democrat filth does everything possible to delay and deny justice for real Americans.

And BTW, on a personal note:

I visited Hazleton with my family many years ago, more than once, when I was a kid.  It used to be kind of a special, old, PA city back then.  And everyone spoke English!!  So it breaks my heart to witness the loss of that city we are experiencing today, thanks to the Democrats.

America first!

MAGA

Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 07, 2017, 03:43:51 PM
you would think if there's no voter fraud as the dems say they would gladly turn over records  to prove they were right making the republicans  look bad  all the other talking points would be smoke
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 07, 2017, 05:14:25 PM



  40 years working. Own a very nice home free and clear. Got some other properties with partners. Done all right. Winding er down. Could use a couple more Cabot wells. Chesapeake can go to hell.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 07, 2017, 05:57:10 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 07, 2017, 06:06:14 PM
probably didn't get his snickers ken. must be the ebt was maxed out for the month.

Hillary wouldn't have let that happen.  slaplaugh

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 07, 2017, 06:12:42 PM



  I'm probably older than you WJ and you haven't worked for 20 years. Bully for you. You should really quit your crying about Hillary trying to help the poor and raise minimum wages so they don't have to go to the government to feed their kids.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: duffy on July 07, 2017, 08:21:47 PM
If you are truely older act like it and think things through before posting
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 07, 2017, 08:27:38 PM
raising the minimum wage is the biggest line of bull you libs ever tried to pull on the poor   raising there wages they will lose all there aid  there gain will be zero or even minus   no food stamps no free health care no subsidized rent no free day care no free drugs  but look we got you a raise  but you'll have less    & a lot of you will lose your job   one good thing those who lose there jobs will get all the benefits  tho they won't have those checks to help carry them thru   supply & demand is a lot better way    very few people if any make minimum wages in this area   
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 08, 2017, 04:46:53 AM
  I'm probably older than you WJ and you haven't worked for 20 years. Bully for you. You should really quit your crying about Hillary trying to help the poor and raise minimum wages so they don't have to go to the government to feed their kids.
So in what world is having the government [Hillary] raise minimum wages not "going to the government to feed their kids"?  Besides the fact that it really doesn't help the poor.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 08, 2017, 05:21:38 AM



 The working poor. Difference between $8 and $12 an hour is about $600 a month. That's probably what you'd be saving the government in many cases.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 08, 2017, 05:55:10 AM
Because we are not free this year from threat of a natural gas severance tax, until there is agreement on the PA budget, here is an update on the OP:

There is still no agreement.  There is not, at present, talk of a severance tax.  They will be working this weekend in effort to reach agreement.

Our yearly severance tax threat will go away instantly when Wolf no longer is Governor of Pennsylvania.  This cannot happen too soon!!
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 08, 2017, 06:13:50 AM
so you agree it'll do nothing for the people who need help just reduce cost to government


 The working poor. Difference between $8 and $12 an hour is about $600 a month. That's probably what you'd be saving the government in many cases.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 08, 2017, 07:03:54 AM



  I didn't say that. It would reduce dependency not eliminate it.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 08, 2017, 07:20:22 AM
  I'm probably older than you WJ and you haven't worked for 20 years. Bully for you. You should really quit your crying about Hillary trying to help the poor and raise minimum wages so they don't have to go to the government to feed their kids.
So in what world is having the government [Hillary] raise minimum wages not "going to the government to feed their kids"?  Besides the fact that it really doesn't help the poor.

imagine...a 16 year old working his first job at mcdonalds, making more than an infantryman getting shot at, while defending our country.

what a strange set of values these nuts have.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 08, 2017, 07:24:57 AM



  I didn't say that. It would reduce dependency not eliminate it.
The laws of supply and demand are as immutable as the second law of thermodynamics.  You are simply shifting the cost out of one pocket and into another. 

How about we just put all earnings into the government's hands and let dot gov care for us totally?  Isn't that what you are truly looking for?  The perfect socialist scheme, everyone according to capabilities and needs, everyone is equal.  Isn't that called socialism?  Or communism?  Or one of those other "isms" that seem to come up and fail every now and then when some become more equal than others.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 08, 2017, 07:50:02 AM



  I was thinking more about the working single mothers with the deadbeat fathers.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 08, 2017, 08:34:26 AM
brain dead talking points   
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 08, 2017, 08:55:12 AM



  Really. Talking points. Working single Moms.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 08, 2017, 09:49:55 AM
The working poor. Difference between $8 and $12 an hour is about $600 a month. That's probably what you'd be saving the government in many cases.
Great logic!  So instead of the government taking even more from everybody (including you, is that what bothers you - or is it that the refrain "raise taxes" not selling even amongst your comrades??) you would have them instead just pick the pockets of the employers (trying to avoid the "r.t." phrase?) and directly line the pockets of their workers.  With no increase at all in production of any sort that would give those workers nothing more to buy with their new-found (made phony by your "plan"!!) money - that is "new found" money to the workers if the company doesn't instead just take that money and buy more automated kiosks and burger flippers and do away with these workers entirely.  Such an idiot you portray yourself as.

As to working single moms, there has always (unfortunately) been cases of widows and orphans (i.e. no dad) due to disease and death, and such people do deserve the protection and help of society IF they have no near kin that are able to help them.  But for the lion's share of today's single moms, society used to have a solution to that problem.  It was called "marriage" and although, since it was between two imperfect people, there could be problems, it was a far better solution with fewer problems than what we are facing today without it.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 08, 2017, 10:33:56 AM
it's a crazy mixed up world apparently...

today, we are called greedy if we want to keep more of what we have earned. what is ours.

in the world that I grew up in, people were greedy if they wanted to take other peoples money for the things that they wanted.

best example I can think of for an oxymoron would be, "wax the spelling champ"  slaplaugh

wj
(http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Screen-shot-2014-09-25-at-12.35.01-AM.jpg)
Ronald Reagan started destroying America in 1982. Workers continue to decline today. Reagan the Union Buster.
 If you had no gas on your land, you would be far worst off.  Many more folks would be better off it Pen State told the Country of their hopes, of a large gas find near Montrose Pa. They mentioned it after most folks excepted low offers.
 
Ken,
If you look at this chart ! workers have lost compensation, every day since the Reagan years.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 08, 2017, 10:58:16 AM
And you trust (and want to give the power to) the government to fix this?  And how has the government solution of raising the minimum wage been working out?  Have you ever noticed that sometimes the cure is worse than the disease?
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 08, 2017, 11:00:52 AM

[/quote]
Ken,
If you look at this chart ! workers have lost compensation, every day since the Reagan years.
[/quote]
Perfect, wax.  You have the Alinsky method down pat.  Keep repeating until its believed.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Rockdale on July 08, 2017, 11:15:55 AM
And you trust (and want to give the power to) the government to fix this?  And how has the government solution of raising the minimum wage been working out?  Have you ever noticed that sometimes the cure is worse than the disease?
>>>> It's probably working out better than if there was nothing at all to help those least able to bargain for themselves.  Contrary to the popular belief promulgated by those interests who want to pay their workers as little as possible the typical minimum wage worker isn't a teenager trying to make some spending money but a mother trying to support herself with a child or two or a married woman trying to help make ends meet.  While there aren't a lot of workers working precisely for the minimum wage there are millions who make just pennies above it.  And I think it would be better for the morale of those workers that they could pay for needed things from their own wages rather than to depend upon a often capricious social welfare system.  Landowners in the Appalachian Basin nowadays often have a source of energy below their properties that was unknown until recently.  That natural gas supplies the common necessities of life; heating homes and hot water, cooking food, and the biggest portion of the country's electrical supply.  If that gas is to be sold in mass quantities we need a mass group of consumers that can afford to buy it.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 08, 2017, 11:41:39 AM
https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2015/home.htm

"Age. Minimum wage workers tend to be young. Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth of hourly paid workers, they made up about half of those paid the federal minimum wage or less. Among employed teenagers (ages 16 to 19) paid by the hour, about 11 percent earned the minimum wage or less, compared with about 2 percent of workers age 25 and older."

"Marital status. Of those paid an hourly wage, never-married workers, who tend to be young, were more likely (5 percent) than married workers (2 percent) to earn the federal minimum wage or less."

so contrary to what the Allentown liberal would like us to believe, more kids than married women make the minimum wage.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 08, 2017, 11:48:08 AM
And as for me rocky, I think that to the extent that you really buy into this fantasy you live in a delusional world of your own making.  I wouldn't care except you and your cohorts keep seeking the power to force me to live in it with you.  It makes you a sort of gadfly, sucking the blood of others and giving nothing but disease in return.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Rockdale on July 08, 2017, 12:00:06 PM
And as for me rocky, I think that to the extent that you really buy into this fantasy you live in a delusional world of your own making.  I wouldn't care except you and your cohorts keep seeking the power to force me to live in it with you.  It makes you a sort of gadfly, sucking the blood of others and giving nothing but disease in return.
>>> Then I take it in your version of reality it is quite alright for an employer to transfer his or her employee costs on to the back of the taxpayer.  Which is exactly what the low wage employer does every day.  They don't pay wages or benefits at a level to at least minimally sustain those they employ leaving the government to pay out Earned Income Credits, Food stamps, Medicaid, housing aid and a whole range of other programs.  That to me is a nightmare.  Cutting income taxes in order to allow the Koch brothers another billion a year in net income probably won't make for any increased sales of natural gas.  They already heat their homes to exactly what they desire them to be.  But higher wages for the lowest paid workers, and they number in the many millions, might allow some people to live through the winter without having to shove the thermostat down.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 08, 2017, 12:41:46 PM
"...and the beat goes on..."
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 08, 2017, 12:46:03 PM
man, this jealousy and seemingly hatred for the wealthy is really amazing.

I mean.... it's a nightmare if someone makes more than they think that they should be allowed to!  slaplaugh

when did people start to become so insecure that they have to tear down the successful, to try to improve their own situations? it used to be, that success was something to be admired and strived for, now it seems that voting is the great equalizer. vote for the candidate that will be your economic savior.

it's a nightmare I tell you...a NIGHTMARE!

 slaplaugh
   wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 08, 2017, 12:49:32 PM
hey ken, I think these guys missed their calling...

they should be writing for CNN.

wadda ya think?

 slaplaugh
   wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 08, 2017, 01:39:29 PM
So, what makes you so sure they're not??  slaplaugh
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 08, 2017, 01:41:15 PM
oh snap!

never thoughta that

 slaplaugh
   wj

Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 08, 2017, 03:46:53 PM
Whats the difference between CNN & Trump.

Trump 0 tax on single folks earning up to 25K and a couple earning up to 50 K
He forgot he said that.

Better healthcare for all.

He meant. Return the taxes to the wealthy who funded the healthcare, and cut benefits or healthcare for millions.

Get out of Syria and stop funding the terrorist who " we have no idea who they are" Stay neutral in Israel.

He meant ! get more involved, in illegal wars, and overthrowing elected governments.
Keep the largest inhumane governments as our best ally.   Saudi Arabia and Israel. 

I could go on and on, but , it matters not.  Its obvious the US president is a "puppet" to the wealthy, as most were.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 08, 2017, 04:46:26 PM
more jealousy and hatred for the job creators. wax, if only you'd listened to those nuns, you too might have been successful.

you forgot my 2 favorite trump promises...prosecute Hillary, and mexico will pay for the wall.  slaplaugh

not prosecuting Hillary I can kindof understand, he doesn't want to end up dead like the others that tried to.

but the wall, I mean come on...that's a no brainer. you want to increase the minimum wage, there ya go! stop letting low wage illegals come in and suppress the labor market. without those guys standing on every street corner taking jobs away from americans, employers would have to pay more to get workers from the limited worker pool.

there was really only one good reason to vote for trump....Hillary isn't president. he doesn't have to do anything else to make me happy, in fact I think I might be happier if he doesn't do anything else.  slaplaugh

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 08, 2017, 05:15:48 PM
more jealousy and hatred for the job creators. wax, if only you'd listened to those nuns, you too might have been successful.

you forgot my 2 favorite trump promises...prosecute Hillary, and mexico will pay for the wall.  slaplaugh

not prosecuting Hillary I can kindof understand, he doesn't want to end up dead like the others that tried to.

but the wall, I mean come on...that's a no brainer. you want to increase the minimum wage, there ya go! stop letting low wage illegals come in and suppress the labor market. without those guys standing on every street corner taking jobs away from americans, employers would have to pay more to get workers from the limited worker pool.

there was really only one good reason to vote for trump....Hillary isn't president. he doesn't have to do anything else to make me happy, in fact I think I might be happier if he doesn't do anything else.  slaplaugh

wj
more jealousy and hatred for the job creators. wax
Right you are. That is exactly, why we are bringing back Slavery for all but "The Job Creators"
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Dr. Optimistic on July 08, 2017, 06:40:19 PM
Back in the day, we would have useful discussions.
Sometimes heated, but I think it was beneficial.

Now, just endless dribble.

Anybody out there want to guess why Stone Energy would pay $23,000 for a DRBC permit to continue development on Matoushek (Wayne Counties first production NG well) that Prof Engelder would later disclose (behind closed doors) is tilted at 40 degrees and overcooked?

Anybody out there want to guess why NWPOA leadership would not inform NWPOA membership about NWPOA discussions with Hess about lease abandonment?

Anybody out there from Wayne County remember what they were doing on Thursday, August 11, 2011?
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 08, 2017, 07:16:05 PM
Back in the day, we would have useful discussions.
Sometimes heated, but I think it was beneficial.

Now, just endless dribble.

Anybody out there want to guess why Stone Energy would pay $23,000 for a DRBC permit to continue development on Matoushek (Wayne Counties first production NG well) that Prof Engelder would later disclose (behind closed doors) is tilted at 40 degrees and overcooked?

Anybody out there want to guess why NWPOA leadership would not inform NWPOA membership about NWPOA discussions with Hess about lease abandonment?

Anybody out there from Wayne County remember what they were doing on Thursday, August 11, 2011?
Back in the day, we would have useful discussions.
Doc,  Wayne County and NY died along with a bunch of Susquehanna years ago. Very few new leases on Landex by Southwest. 
Millions in pipe sitting in Deposit NY with no where to go.
Many energy companies went under and more to come.
I would bet Wayne and Southern Tier of NY has much gas. It will be in the ground a long time before they need it.
So for now, those collecting royalties, will be in good shape for a long time. Rather than drill new wells, old wells with good geology will be reworked. saves the companies money especially if the leased area had bad terms.
Anyway, the Vacation Inn got a new owner. Good luck to them.
 ;) wax
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 08, 2017, 07:34:13 PM
geez gid, kinda harsh don't ya think?

nothing heated about this discussion, just some old, and a few new acquaintances kicking things around, sorta like the old days.

and speaking of the old days and old acquaintances, see anything here that resembles those days? those folks who used to be here? nah. now it's mostly lurkers, contributing...nothing much.

so would you rather we all just packed it in instead of dribbling? I know I got no reason to be here anymore.

sorry if we have nothing of relevance to your situation.

but I think you'll remember back in the day, that matoushek held a particular fascination for me. the permit renewals, the statements that I was privy to regarding its' prospectivity. there was always something intriguing about it. I always thought that something might come of it...but it hasn't. most likely I won't live long enough to see the end game on that one anyway.

also, back in the day, we made lots of guesses. we had a lot at stake. these days though, with so much gas being produced, and the drbc mired in endless political muck, it's anybody's guess.

another forum member asked me to guess when new York would allow drilling. I told him that my guess would be not in our lifetimes. so far, I'm doing pretty good on that one.

I know that you're frustrated bud, and I feel for ya, but don't take it out on us, 'cause we ain't the enemy here.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 08, 2017, 07:36:54 PM
oh, and umm gid...

you're off topic, this is the severance tax thread.

 slaplaugh
   wj

Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 09, 2017, 05:53:12 AM
And as for me rocky, I think that to the extent that you really buy into this fantasy you live in a delusional world of your own making.  I wouldn't care except you and your cohorts keep seeking the power to force me to live in it with you.  It makes you a sort of gadfly, sucking the blood of others and giving nothing but disease in return.
>>> Then I take it in your version of reality it is quite alright for an employer to transfer his or her employee costs on to the back of the taxpayer.  Which is exactly what the low wage employer does every day.  They don't pay wages or benefits at a level to at least minimally sustain those they employ leaving the government to pay out Earned Income Credits, Food stamps, Medicaid, housing aid and a whole range of other programs.  That to me is a nightmare.  Cutting income taxes in order to allow the Koch brothers another billion a year in net income probably won't make for any increased sales of natural gas.  They already heat their homes to exactly what they desire them to be.  But higher wages for the lowest paid workers, and they number in th millions, might allow some people to live through the winter without having to shove the thermostat down.
 
  These guys got no solutions and not much compassion. But they really know how to complain and place blame. An increase in the minimum wage would change some business dynamics but if you do it slowly local economies would adjust. The price of fast food would go up for sure. Maybe not a bad thing. The experiment is taking place right now in different places in the country.


   Trickle Down Economics. Wax's graph basically proves that isn't lifting workers up. It's always tax cuts for the rich and create all this debt. Cut spending they say. The new one is deport 10 million Mexicans which is not going to happen. Also Coal isnt coming back. Good campaign promises but aint going to happen. PA had full GOP power. Now they have full power in Washington. Tax cuts for the rich and cut spending. Mostly for the poor. Here we go again.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 09, 2017, 05:55:35 AM
OK, severance tax and the PA budget . . . up to the minute:

Still no agreement.  Situation is fluid.  Still no mention of severance tax.  Their focus appears to be on attaining compromise concerning gaming/gambling.

Again, until there IS agreement a severance tax remains theoretically possible.  But right now it does not appear likely . . . . . . . . . . thank goodness . . . . . . . . the traitor Garth Everett notwithstanding.

Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 09, 2017, 06:00:04 AM
Liberals possess a stark, special, inability to obey the tenth Commandment.  I would wager most posting here do not even know what that commandment is, at least not without looking it up!!  If they were unable, instead, to obey "Thou shalt not kill",  there would be millions of dead bodies all across America.

Liberals:  WABOA 
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 09, 2017, 06:30:17 AM
OK, severance tax and the PA budget . . . up to the minute:

Still no agreement.  Situation is fluid.  Still no mention of severance tax.  Their focus appears to be on attaining compromise concerning gaming/gambling.

Again, until there IS agreement a severance tax remains theoretically possible.  But right now it does not appear likely . . . . . . . . . . thank goodness . . . . . . . . the traitor Garth Everett notwithstanding.


   Traitor to who. Looks like a guy trying to pay the bills. And also looking to help thousands of people in PA get treated fairly by Chesapeake.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 09, 2017, 07:27:35 AM
OK, severance tax and the PA budget . . . up to the minute:

Still no agreement.  Situation is fluid.  Still no mention of severance tax.  Their focus appears to be on attaining compromise concerning gaming/gambling.

Again, until there IS agreement a severance tax remains theoretically possible.  But right now it does not appear likely . . . . . . . . . . thank goodness . . . . . . . . the traitor Garth Everett notwithstanding.


   Traitor to who. Looks like a guy trying to pay the bills. And also looking to help thousands of people in PA get treated fairly by Chesapeake.

Ahhhhhh . . the voice of Colorado insanity heard from once again.  Let's take a peek behind the curtain at conditions where this gink lives:

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/07/denver-police-downtown-library-drug-use-illegal-activity/ (http://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/07/denver-police-downtown-library-drug-use-illegal-activity/)

Toke up, junior.  It's all you have left.

 
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 09, 2017, 07:30:16 AM


  I don't live in Colorado. And I I don't smoke pot. Hardly drink anymore. What has that got to do with anything.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 09, 2017, 07:48:57 AM


  I don't live
True, that, unless fantasy world existence or being a socialist zombie counts as living.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 09, 2017, 07:49:28 AM


  I don't live in Colorado. And I I don't smoke pot. Hardly drink anymore. What has that got to do with anything.

Can anyone find the post where he admitted to living in Colorado?  Needle in haystack.  But I remember he told us that.

Sure, maybe he moved.  Frankly, as long as he is not living and voting in Pennsylvania, I'm good.  We desperately need to defeat Tom Wolf in fall of 2018.  So we benefit from another Wolf voter about as much as we do from a severance tax.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 09, 2017, 07:52:05 AM

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/07/denver-police-downtown-library-drug-use-illegal-activity/ (http://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/07/denver-police-downtown-library-drug-use-illegal-activity/)


Colorado, another liberal utopian experiment, and like Chicago and Detroit, destined to slip into the abyss.

betya when they have crashed and burned, that they demand federal bailout money.

wherever liberals congregate, ruin follows.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 09, 2017, 07:54:50 AM
Liberals possess a stark, special, inability to obey the tenth Commandment.  I would wager most posting here do not even know what that commandment is, at least not without looking it up!!  If they were unable, instead, to obey "Thou shalt not kill",  there would be millions of dead bodies all across America.

Liberals:  WABOA
Good insight shinobi.  But just being something of a fussbudget on some things though, I would point out that "You shall not murder" in today's language comes closer to the original meaning to most of today's readers than the KJV's use of the word "kill" - a word that takes on a slightly different hue today than it did back in the day... - but "there would be millions of dead bodies all across America" does nicely illustrate your point.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 09, 2017, 07:58:21 AM
  I don't live in Colorado. And I I don't smoke pot. Hardly drink anymore. What has that got to do with anything.

Can anyone find the post where he admitted to living in Colorado?  Needle in haystack.  But I remember he told us that.
My memory on that is the same as yours, with the same needle problem.  It's almost worth rooting through all 8000++ of his posts just to find it.  ;D
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 09, 2017, 08:07:41 AM



  Looking for a place in Idaho or Montana. Love the high country.
  NE PA is beautiful but the the weather sucks.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 09, 2017, 08:53:27 AM
Liberals possess a stark, special, inability to obey the tenth Commandment.  I would wager most posting here do not even know what that commandment is, at least not without looking it up!!  If they were unable, instead, to obey "Thou shalt not kill",  there would be millions of dead bodies all across America.

Liberals:  WABOA
Good insight shinobi.  But just being something of a fussbudget on some things though, I would point out that "You shall not murder" in today's language comes closer to the original meaning to most of today's readers than the KJV's use of the word "kill" - a word that takes on a slightly different hue today than it did back in the day... - but "there would be millions of dead bodies all across America" does nicely illustrate your point.

Other posters will have better insight than myself as to whether or not God promulgated His Commandments hierarchically.  I'm not great when it come to knowing stuff like that.

And not really knowing, I have always taken all ten of the Commandments quite seriously, just to be on the safe side.  So when Obama trumpeted violation of Commandment 10, making such violation a significant underpinning of his campaigning, I was taken aback.  It was as if Obama was PROUD of the violation!

And you hear liberal voices everywhere today, including several right here on this board, singing the same song really loudly, puffing out their chests as they violate the CRAP out of that Commandment while proclaiming their piety in a stunning rebuke of and dissent with the Almighty.

To be fair, though, liberals have a different view regarding ALL the Commandments.  Here find first God's Commandment 10, with my underline, followed by their version:


Almighty God:

10.  You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.


Liberal Version:

10.  You may covet anything that is your neighbor’s, by dividing America into groups based on race, religion, creed, ethnicity, class, gender, and other useful categories, and creating invidious comparisons among them, pitting all citizens against each other, the better to exalt the power of government to covet the goods and honor of everyone in the United States of America.


Liberals also have a different take on the remaining nine Commandments:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/01/a_liberal_version_of_the_ten_commandments.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/01/a_liberal_version_of_the_ten_commandments.html)

Personal note and confession:

I've always tried to heed all ten commandments;  I think most people at least try.  But only in the last ten to twenty years have I paid special attention to obeying Commandment #10, which at times is counter intuitive and not all that easy to accomplish.  Heck, it is human nature to covet and it takes effort to avoid doing so.  But you know, God is so darn smart it is scary.  Because since getting better at obeying that tenth Commandment my entire life has been a WHOLE lot better.  So when I hear liberal politicians go out and exhort people to DISOBEY that Commandment, just to garner votes, it really is troubling and dismaying.     
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 09, 2017, 09:03:42 AM



  Most Democrats are more concerned about economic divisions. Conservatives have always used race to place blame and divide the country.


   
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 09, 2017, 09:07:44 AM



  Most Democrats are more concerned about economic divisions. Conservatives have always used race to place blame and divide the country.


 

Your stunning inability to learn anything whatsoever from my post was the anticipated outcome.  I do my best.  But I cannot teach calculus to a cat.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 09, 2017, 09:13:07 AM



 I'm not a religious man but the lessons I learned from going to Catholic grade school are far different from the one you are posting. Sinning is one thing but taking care of the needy was the main thrust of what I got from it.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 09, 2017, 09:15:37 AM
know body uses race more then you libs  if it weren't for the republicans   you democrats would still have your slaves   i will say your trying hard to get your slaves back by illegal immigration   cheap labor to cut your grass & clean your houses  there would be no racism if it weren't for you & your type that keeps blame it for every thing  racism is far from the mine's of the younger generation   if you libs could stop using it for every little thing
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 09, 2017, 09:25:48 AM



 I'm not a religious man but the lessons I learned from going to Catholic grade school are far different from the one you are posting. Sinning is one thing but taking care of the needy was the main thrust of what I got from it.

Once again, a complete and total non sequitur vis a vis my post.

I'm betting you do not even comprehend the meaning of the word "covet".

And that's remarkable since coveting is a practice in which you liberals engage pretty much 24/7/365.  Coveting is woven so tightly into your lifestyle that you are completely unaware of it.  It saturates you, and all liberals, to your very core.  It is the centerpiece of your life.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 09, 2017, 09:39:58 AM


  Hold on tight Shinobi. Dig in and build a fence. We are are coming for you and your stuff.

  Rat you better keep playing the race card. Its a proven winner. Mexicans are the newest bogeymen.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 09, 2017, 10:17:54 AM

 Mexicans are the newest bogeymen.
Learn, you need.  "Mexican" is a euphemism for any and all illegals that come in to service your yard or plant bombs in your courthouses.

"Democratic" concerns with economics extends right up to the point where their economic gains are greater than anyone else's, or better that everyone else should lose to their benefit. 

So tired of these hammerheads that are in lockstep with community organizers, that I'd really like to take a hammer to their heads,  Would if it would knock sense into them, but I'm afraid that I would fall afoul of the 6th commandment, and certainly of civil law.

Shin, when you see Matty and his mob coming, let me know.  I think we can dissuade them ---
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 09, 2017, 10:46:07 AM



 I like the new plan for the Wall. Solar panels installed on it and it will pay for itself. Brilliant.


  Cheap Mexican labor has hurt the American worker. Maybe more than any other factor but they are here. 10 plus million. They ain't going away.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 09, 2017, 11:56:29 AM



 I like the new plan for the Wall. Solar panels installed on it and it will pay for itself. Brilliant.


  Cheap Mexican labor has hurt the American worker. Maybe more than any other factor but they are here. 10 plus million. They ain't going away.
Anyone that believes, they are here by chance is stupid.  Our leaders even wrote laws excluding them from minimum wage, and can charge them room & board for sleeping in the field. Plain and simple SLAVERY.  The idea is no to pay the greedy American worker. Look at Tyson Foods.  Their food handlers wear diapers, because they have "no bathroom privileges".
A Mexican has no bathroom and does not complain. "Make America Great Again"  slaplaugh
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 09, 2017, 12:14:36 PM
before anyone starts jumping on wax for posting gross inaccuracies and distortions, I want to remind all of you that he has a handicap, and is not always responsible for what he types.

and especially if the grammar and spelling are correct, because then we know that it's a copy/paste post, probably from alex jones.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 09, 2017, 12:22:20 PM
Shin, when you see Matty and his mob coming, let me know.  I think we can dissuade them ---

seriously?

you actually think that matt will leave the comfort of moms' basement to join his antifa buddies? I think you have grossly overestimated his level of ambition. he won't even come to the Bradford county rallies to help his brothers' neighbors out.

way too comfy lounging on the couch playing mortal kombat, especially when mom brings his pb&j's down to him.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 09, 2017, 01:16:01 PM
before anyone starts jumping on wax for posting gross inaccuracies and distortions, I want to remind all of you that he has a handicap, and is not always responsible for what he types.

and especially if the grammar and spelling are correct, because then we know that it's a copy/paste post, probably from alex jones.

wj
English critic! Point out the gross inaccuracies and distortion.  Another. "No_abortions under any circumstances."  Cut food stamps and healthcare and housing and let thme starve to death"  Compassionate Conservationism    We must always have a slave population, at the disposal of the wealthy.
In 1980 , I paid my workers $100.00 a day, and paid workmens compensation insurance.  Got out of that line of work for health reasons.  Very few people (same business) can survive today. I can get work done cheaper today, and inflation went up 300%. Backwards country.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 09, 2017, 02:23:40 PM
easy scooter, eeeaassyyyyy.

I'm on your side here, I wanted everyone to be aware of your limitations due to that handicap you have, that's all.

geez, you shouldn't snap at folks when they're trying to help you.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 09, 2017, 02:29:53 PM

In 1980 , I paid my workers $100.00 a day, and paid workmens compensation insurance. 
Pretty expensive for illegals.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 09, 2017, 02:44:24 PM
workers comp payment mandatory if legal operation   but no  benefits  & your bragging about paying 100 dollars a day   & ma cal     you brought up the race card   but  typical lib bull spin it any way you want truth means nothing to you & your fellow libs   
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 09, 2017, 02:45:29 PM

In 1980 , I paid my workers $100.00 a day, and paid workmens compensation insurance. 
Pretty expensive for illegals.

yeah, but no health insurance. real compassionate huh.

funny how these guys are all for forcing others to do what they won't do themselves.

I guess it's not too bad though, before Obama, folks could actually afford health insurance.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: windycamel on July 09, 2017, 03:15:56 PM
why not discuss minimum wage increase with Seattle, Washington in mind.
The city goverment raised it to 15 dollars. Was it a success? The perfect test of
Liberal policy in action. Why move to Montana??
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 09, 2017, 03:18:28 PM

In 1980 , I paid my workers $100.00 a day, and paid workmens compensation insurance. 
Pretty expensive for illegals.

yeah, but no health insurance. real compassionate huh.

funny how these guys are all for forcing others to do what they won't do themselves.

I guess it's not too bad though, before Obama, folks could actually afford health insurance.

wj
What a joke you all are. Next thing you will ask for my accounting records. Healthcare was mandatory for myself and my workers. Most of this area has less than I did 37-years ago today. Backwards economics. Homes sell for 5 to 20-times less than , they can be rebuilt for.  6000sf home in town of Susquehanna selling for 20 to 30 K. That same home would need a million dollar insurance policy to be rebuilt. A lot of the country is similar. Taxes are 10 to 15% of the sale price annually. Insane.   
Obama, folks could actually afford health insurance. Another stupid statement. Where did they get the money to pay for it ?  Any moron knows, BO care itself, is not the problem! Its the billions its takes from the wealthy, that burns the hearts out of the rich. Wants it stops being funded it will die. (Republican Plan B, change the tax code)
Just like Canadians hate universal healthcare ! (they all come to the USA for their medical needs)
They have zero insurance coverage in the USA. 
So if Canadians have no problem paying out of their own pocket, why should any American have insurance ?
Real story !  Some rich Canadians pay for healthcare in the USA.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 09, 2017, 03:51:11 PM
OK, another update on the PA budget:

No agreement yet.  The PA House has been in session all day today (Sunday).  Wolf has set a deadline of midnight tomorrow night.  This is a major mess.  They simply do not have the money they already have agreed to spend.  Here is an up to the moment reference:

http://www.wfmj.com/story/35843238/revenue-puzzle-in-pieces-day-before-spending-bill-deadline (http://www.wfmj.com/story/35843238/revenue-puzzle-in-pieces-day-before-spending-bill-deadline)

Please:  Keep your fingers crossed that we do not get slapped with a severance tax as a last second, all else has failed, measure.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 09, 2017, 04:32:11 PM
why not discuss minimum wage increase with Seattle, Washington in mind.
The city goverment raised it to 15 dollars. Was it a success? The perfect test of
Liberal policy in action. Why move to Montana??

better to discuss st. Louis.

http://www.businessinsider.com/missouri-governor-lowers-minimum-wage-2017-7

seattle will be another liberal city with its hand out for bailouts when it goes the way of Detroit.

at least Missouri has some adults in charge.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 09, 2017, 04:35:55 PM
What a joke you all are. Next thing you will ask for my accounting records.

no way wax. if you wrote them, none of us would ever be able to decipher them.

and calm down buddy...you're letting that handicap of yours push you over the edge. we all understand your limitations. it's all good, ya know.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 09, 2017, 04:38:55 PM
OK, another update on the PA budget:

No agreement yet.  The PA House has been in session all day today (Sunday).  Wolf has set a deadline of midnight tomorrow night.  This is a major mess.  They simply do not have the money they already have agreed to spend.  Here is an up to the moment reference:

http://www.wfmj.com/story/35843238/revenue-puzzle-in-pieces-day-before-spending-bill-deadline (http://www.wfmj.com/story/35843238/revenue-puzzle-in-pieces-day-before-spending-bill-deadline)

Please:  Keep your fingers crossed that we do not get slapped with a severance tax as a last second, all else has failed, measure.

better to just shut it down like the last time. we'll save money, and eventually wolfe will stop stamping his feet and accept the reality that he isn't Obama with an adoring congress.

it's all gonna be ok.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Rockdale on July 09, 2017, 06:17:23 PM
And as for me rocky, I think that to the extent that you really buy into this fantasy you live in a delusional world of your own making.  I wouldn't care except you and your cohorts keep seeking the power to force me to live in it with you.  It makes you a sort of gadfly, sucking the blood of others and giving nothing but disease in return.
>>> Then I take it in your version of reality it is quite alright for an employer to transfer his or her employee costs on to the back of the taxpayer.  Which is exactly what the low wage employer does every day.  They don't pay wages or benefits at a level to at least minimally sustain those they employ leaving the government to pay out Earned Income Credits, Food stamps, Medicaid, housing aid and a whole range of other programs.  That to me is a nightmare.  Cutting income taxes in order to allow the Koch brothers another billion a year in net income probably won't make for any increased sales of natural gas.  They already heat their homes to exactly what they desire them to be.  But higher wages for the lowest paid workers, and they number in th millions, might allow some people to live through the winter without having to shove the thermostat down.
 
  These guys got no solutions and not much compassion. But they really know how to complain and place blame. An increase in the minimum wage would change some business dynamics but if you do it slowly local economies would adjust. The price of fast food would go up for sure. Maybe not a bad thing. The experiment is taking place right now in different places in the country.


   Trickle Down Economics. Wax's graph basically proves that isn't lifting workers up. It's always tax cuts for the rich and create all this debt. Cut spending they say. The new one is deport 10 million Mexicans which is not going to happen. Also Coal isnt coming back. Good campaign promises but aint going to happen. PA had full GOP power. Now they have full power in Washington. Tax cuts for the rich and cut spending. Mostly for the poor. Here we go again.
>>>>Tax cuts for the wealthiest usually are sold as enhancing investment in economically useful projects building the economy over the long haul.  The reality is that more goes into fueling speculative bubbles in real estate, stocks, commodities, etc.  When you look at the current furor over the proposals to repeal and replace the ACA of President Obama that's more to do with rolling back the 3.8% investment tax on single people making over $200,000 per year and couples making over $250,000 plus the 0.9% Medicare surcharge on the same group.  As to affairs back in the Keystone State, since the first time new taxes were proposed on the new shale gas industry I've always maintained that we would not see a severance tax.  There appears to be lots of support for the present arrangement of fees on drilling activity which is then rebated in large part back to the localities that either have drilling or only share in the industry to the extent that they consume natural gas.  After years of depression due to low natural gas prices the industry is finally picking itself off the floor.  Hopefully increased demand at home and abroad will start to make a difference in prices.  With the interesting aspect that natural gas as a transportation fuel might be ready to soar if the electric car, made by a number of manufacturers, takes off.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 09, 2017, 06:41:02 PM
a family of 2 working making 250000 are upper middle class  far from being wealthy  I'd like to see that 6000 sq ft house selling for 30 thou    does it have indoor pluming
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 09, 2017, 06:46:12 PM



  If they live in Wyalusing they are wealthy, in Manhattan not so much.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Rockdale on July 09, 2017, 06:52:43 PM
why not discuss minimum wage increase with Seattle, Washington in mind.
The city goverment raised it to 15 dollars. Was it a success? The perfect test of
Liberal policy in action. Why move to Montana??
>>> Going over to the Federal Bureau of Labor Statistics I see that the unemployment rate in Seattle, Washington was 3.8% in May 2017 in a city where the minimum wage is 15 dollars.  For the same month the unemployment rate in Bradford County was 5.2% and Susquehanna County 4.8% in a region that has definitely gotten a boost in recent years from the new shale gas industry, and in a state where the minimum wage is $7.25, in line with the Federal level.  That would appear to be a negative rather than positive correlation if the contention is that the higher the minimum wage the higher the unemployment.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 09, 2017, 07:04:29 PM
guess you missed the report that said people are losing jobs due to the minimum  raise  you might of missed it because tho requested by Seattle when they started to get early reports they shut it down
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 09, 2017, 07:18:49 PM
a family of 2 working making 250000 are upper middle class  far from being wealthy  I'd like to see that 6000 sq ft house selling for 30 thou    does it have indoor pluming
Here is one I looked at yesterday. 12,600.00      2500sf   taxes 2,500.00
Right in town of New Milford

https://www.homepath.com/listing/281-church-st-great-bend-pa-18821-46260913 (https://www.homepath.com/listing/281-church-st-great-bend-pa-18821-46260913)

The big shitholes are in Susquehanna Main Street. Built during the railroad years. Many for sale and most in disrepair.  It must have been beautiful, when folks had good jobs.
You do know how to search, the real estate listings?
I ask a home improvement contractor. Why not buy one and rent to several families.Answer.
You have to be nuts to do that. Once children are in the home, they stop paying rent and cannot be evicted. Owner of home is on the hook for all taxes and utilities. It is a very risky proposition.
 I did not know it was that bad
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: windycamel on July 09, 2017, 07:25:27 PM
And yes thats very tru.. The city shut down the study that told the TRUTH and the FACT of the policy. Well then go to somewhere in California-- Berkely to get the verbige needed to make a good front page.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 09, 2017, 08:19:03 PM
a family of 2 working making 250000 are upper middle class  far from being wealthy  I'd like to see that 6000 sq ft house selling for 30 thou    does it have indoor pluming
Here is one I looked at yesterday. 12,600.00      2500sf   taxes 2,500.00
Right in town of New Milford

https://www.homepath.com/listing/281-church-st-great-bend-pa-18821-46260913 (https://www.homepath.com/listing/281-church-st-great-bend-pa-18821-46260913)

The big shitholes are in Susquehanna Main Street. Built during the railroad years. Many for sale and most in disrepair.  It must have been beautiful, when folks had good jobs.
You do know how to search, the real estate listings?
I ask a home improvement contractor. Why not buy one and rent to several families.Answer.
You have to be nuts to do that. Once children are in the home, they stop paying rent and cannot be evicted. Owner of home is on the hook for all taxes and utilities. It is a very risky proposition.
 I did not know it was that bad
Note that particular property is for sale under auction terms.  That price will NOT be what it sells for.  Along with having trouble with spelling and grammar, reading seems also to be a challenge.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 09, 2017, 09:50:24 PM
a family of 2 working making 250000 are upper middle class  far from being wealthy  I'd like to see that 6000 sq ft house selling for 30 thou    does it have indoor pluming
Here is one I looked at yesterday. 12,600.00      2500sf   taxes 2,500.00
Right in town of New Milford

https://www.homepath.com/listing/281-church-st-great-bend-pa-18821-46260913 (https://www.homepath.com/listing/281-church-st-great-bend-pa-18821-46260913)

The big shitholes are in Susquehanna Main Street. Built during the railroad years. Many for sale and most in disrepair.  It must have been beautiful, when folks had good jobs.
You do know how to search, the real estate listings?
I ask a home improvement contractor. Why not buy one and rent to several families.Answer.
You have to be nuts to do that. Once children are in the home, they stop paying rent and cannot be evicted. Owner of home is on the hook for all taxes and utilities. It is a very risky proposition.
 I did not know it was that bad
Note that particular property is for sale under auction terms.  That price will NOT be what it sells for.  Along with having trouble with spelling and grammar, reading seems also to be a challenge.
actually you may have the problem !

$12,600
Status: Under Contract
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 10, 2017, 04:50:25 AM
a family of 2 working making 250000 are upper middle class  far from being wealthy  I'd like to see that 6000 sq ft house selling for 30 thou    does it have indoor pluming
Here is one I looked at yesterday. 12,600.00      2500sf   taxes 2,500.00
Right in town of New Milford

https://www.homepath.com/listing/281-church-st-great-bend-pa-18821-46260913 (https://www.homepath.com/listing/281-church-st-great-bend-pa-18821-46260913)

The big shitholes are in Susquehanna Main Street. Built during the railroad years. Many for sale and most in disrepair.  It must have been beautiful, when folks had good jobs.
You do know how to search, the real estate listings?
I ask a home improvement contractor. Why not buy one and rent to several families.Answer.
You have to be nuts to do that. Once children are in the home, they stop paying rent and cannot be evicted. Owner of home is on the hook for all taxes and utilities. It is a very risky proposition.
 I did not know it was that bad
Note that particular property is for sale under auction terms.  That price will NOT be what it sells for.  Along with having trouble with spelling and grammar, reading seems also to be a challenge.
actually you may have the problem !

$12,600
Status: Under Contract
That is interesting, and a change overnight.  Given the auction terms, I have to wonder if that was the selling price.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 10, 2017, 04:51:10 AM
There remains no agreement on Pennsylvania's 2017 budget.  Here is a lift from the article linked below:

Democrats have pressed, unsuccessfully thus far, for GOP consideration of a severance tax on natural gas from the Marcellus Shale, one of Wolf's original policy goals as a candidate for governor in 2014. 

The Democrats yesterday stonewalled Republican proposals to avoid a severance tax.  This is a long, detailed, article.  It was published earlier today, Monday, and it might be worth a read:

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/07/no_deal_yet_between_gov_wolf_l.html (http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/07/no_deal_yet_between_gov_wolf_l.html)
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 10, 2017, 06:00:23 AM



  Yaw has his buddies covered.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Rockdale on July 10, 2017, 06:53:56 AM
And yes thats very tru.. The city shut down the study that told the TRUTH and the FACT of the policy. Well then go to somewhere in California-- Berkely to get the verbige needed to make a good front page.
>>>> The Bureau of Labor Statistics is a Federal agency which doesn't get "shut down" by a city.  The methodology that they use is uniform throughout the country.  The fact remains that working for less money does not in itself guarantee a job as the comparison of two Marcellus Shale counties in Pennsylvania to Seattle demonstrates.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 10, 2017, 06:59:47 AM
Gotta admit before today I considered a severance tax no more than a theoretical possibility . . . . and a distant one at that!!

You will form your own opinions going forward.  Here is a lift from a new Williamsport article linked further on:

"Wolf has steadfastly pushed a tax package he frames as making corporations pay their “fair share,” including slapping a production tax on drilling in the Marcellus Shale, the natural gas reservoir that made Pennsylvania the nation’s No. 2 natural gas state."

Here is your link to this latest writing:

http://www.sungazette.com/news/top-news/2017/07/revenue-puzzle-in-pieces-day-before-spending-bill-deadline/ (http://www.sungazette.com/news/top-news/2017/07/revenue-puzzle-in-pieces-day-before-spending-bill-deadline/)

Wolf must NOT get his way on this!!!
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 10, 2017, 07:27:12 AM



  Why not. Every other state does it.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 10, 2017, 08:28:07 AM
  Why not. Every other state does it.
Such an intelligent argument from you macal.  I would expect nothing else.

With apologies to Dr. O, the sad truth is that much graffiti is impossible to scrub (reason) off anything, with it being so time consuming to do so and the spraying on of new graffiti so easy to do (it's true, a lie travels around the world before the truth can put her shoes on) leaving the only solution to be slapping on another layer of paint just to (at least momentarily) ease the eyes of any passersby...  Besides, it's a slow time on the forum...
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 10, 2017, 08:44:05 AM



  Seems to being helping those states pay their bills and keep taxes lower
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 10, 2017, 09:25:25 AM
  Seems to being helping those states pay their bills and keep taxes lower
So just which part of (your) proposed severance tax not a tax?  Oh, I get it!  Any tax that does not take from your pocket is, by definition, not a tax!  At least you do make my point for me though...
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 10, 2017, 09:32:52 AM



  Do you think Chesapeake has paid the state a penny of corporate tax in PA over the last 5 years, all the while ripping them off by not paying fair royalties that would be taxed by the state. Chew on that for a minute.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 10, 2017, 10:11:39 AM
so your saying Cabot is paying corporate income taxes that they don't have to just to make you feel good   I bet they stock holders are really happy to hear this    by the way do you have proof that chessy paid no corporate taxes our is this just more of your bull    a lie travels --------
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 10, 2017, 10:15:24 AM



  None of them are paying corporate taxes. But most aren't ripping off the royalties.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 10, 2017, 12:02:12 PM
  Do you think Chesapeake has paid the state a penny of corporate tax in PA over the last 5 years, all the while ripping them off by not paying fair royalties that would be taxed by the state. Chew on that for a minute.
Gee!  You have me on the horns of a dilemma here.  Do I let on to you the secret that I don't chew on BS, or do I point out to you that it's really, really hard to actually chew on a slurpee??
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 10, 2017, 02:09:37 PM
Cagey Wolf is pulling a fast one:

http://fox43.com/2017/07/10/gov-wolf-to-let-budget-become-law-without-signature/ (http://fox43.com/2017/07/10/gov-wolf-to-let-budget-become-law-without-signature/)

We GOTTA replace this guy next year!
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 10, 2017, 02:48:03 PM
no shut down?

bummer.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 10, 2017, 02:54:01 PM
this is getting a little boring, so....

English critic! Point out the gross inaccuracies and distortion. 

wax, how about your theory about how no airplanes hit the twin towers on 9/11, and you claimed that bush blew them up.

that's a pretty gross inaccuracy.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 10, 2017, 03:32:30 PM
this is getting a little boring, so....

English critic! Point out the gross inaccuracies and distortion. 

wax, how about your theory about how no airplanes hit the twin towers on 9/11, and you claimed that bush blew them up.

that's a pretty gross inaccuracy.

wj
First off, your off topic.
Secondly ! If every school in the country taught 2+2 = 9, what would be the answer ?
I believe what nearly 3000 Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth believe.
1) A building can only fall, at free fall speed, if their is "zero resistance "
only controlled demolition can do that.
http://www.ae911truth.org/ (http://www.ae911truth.org/)

Post a video of a 55 gallon drum  melting from a fire within. You can use as much jet fuel,  gasoline, oil, , and burn what you like.  Even throw in some titanium jet engines, and burn it all up.
The last time, I offered the Idea , someone responded, a steel drum needs to be thicker to burn. 
911 is the only day that defied science.
Jessie Ventura said: Why was the  Gulf of Tonkin story made up to start the Vietnam war. 50,000 Americans killed and nearly a million wounded. Answer: Keep the Military Industrial Complex Going.  No other reason.
And the USS Liberty, attacked by Israel.  John McCain's father did the investigation. Said he would court -martial any US Sailor, who spoke of the attack. The survivors  have written a book, and never received any support from the US government, for a apology from Israel.
   
You will not see this on your news Chanel , CNN 
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 10, 2017, 03:38:14 PM
hey, you told me to give you an example of one of your gross inaccuracies.

this is it.

crack open a beer ken, this could get good.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 10, 2017, 04:00:15 PM
Amazing what you find when you turn over a rock...
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: windycamel on July 10, 2017, 04:31:46 PM
wow!! I think i'm gonna go crack a can myself. Holy moly.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Rockdale on July 10, 2017, 04:39:45 PM
Unless I am missing something it appears that once again the Pennsylvania state budget will not include a severance tax.  When the impact fee system was instituted in the time of Governor Corbett there was an understanding that it was set up as an either or situation -- either the impact fees or a severance tax but not both.  It was smart politics on the part of Corbett to include money for counties that are not in the production regions, pulling in support from populous and wealthier counties that have an interest only in natural gas as an item of consumption.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 10, 2017, 04:58:47 PM
only controlled demolition can do that.
Bat hockey.

Back to wolfie's plan to let the spending plan become law without signing it.  Hm.  Were it not for PA law, that would be a pocket veto.  So we have a spending plan.  That is half the budget, but not a budget by itself.  I think wax and matty do not recognize the disconnect and fact that revenue has to be raised.  Now, with the spending committed, I have to ask those two economists where the money is going to come from.  I suppose that de vulf can ask the Fed to make a print run of new money ----
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 10, 2017, 05:23:11 PM
Unless I am missing something it appears that once again the Pennsylvania state budget will not include a severance tax.  When the impact fee system was instituted in the time of Governor Corbett there was an understanding that it was set up as an either or situation -- either the impact fees or a severance tax but not both.  It was smart politics on the part of Corbett to include money for counties that are not in the production regions, pulling in support from populous and wealthier counties that have an interest only in natural gas as an item of consumption.
I would agree with you, but it seems, Wolf has a working plan, to include a severance tax.
If that was not the case, why would it even be on the table ?
Crazy thing!  I have spoken to people on the Wolf team , about a pipeline tax ratable.
All the neighboring states tax them. FERC allows the tax to be passed on to the end uses.
Wolf must have family in the pipeline business. ;)  Probably because, it would work like the impact fees. Money will go to the areas with pipelines.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 10, 2017, 05:28:47 PM
911 is the only day that defied science.

but wait...

didn't the moon landing also defy science?

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 10, 2017, 05:34:35 PM
Cagey Wolf is pulling a fast one:

http://fox43.com/2017/07/10/gov-wolf-to-let-budget-become-law-without-signature/ (http://fox43.com/2017/07/10/gov-wolf-to-let-budget-become-law-without-signature/)

We GOTTA replace this guy next year!

hey, if I remember correctly, you wanted Corbett out the last time, didn't you?

so long as we hold a solid majority in both houses I think we're safe from having a severance tax imposed on mineral owners without leases that forbid it.

wolfe wants us to pay "our fair share", but yaw and his buddies have our backs on this one at least.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 10, 2017, 05:54:09 PM



  Wolf has said the landowners wouldn't pay it.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 10, 2017, 06:01:18 PM



  Wolf has said the landowners wouldn't pay it.
Cal, most politicians forget the important stuff. Trump forgot in six months.
Tax revenue could only rise when the people have increased salaries.  More to tax.
Otherwise they need another New Tax.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 10, 2017, 06:06:30 PM



  Wolf has said the landowners wouldn't pay it.
I fear that de vulf has no plan, therefore cannot make that statement.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: duffy on July 10, 2017, 06:54:31 PM

Trump didn't forget, Shummer only took minutes to get on a soapbox and forget rural New York

  Wolf has said the landowners wouldn't pay it.
Cal, most politicians forget the important stuff. Trump forgot in six months.
Tax revenue could only rise when the people have increased salaries.  More to tax.
Otherwise they need another New Tax.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Rockdale on July 10, 2017, 07:21:26 PM
Unless I am missing something it appears that once again the Pennsylvania state budget will not include a severance tax.  When the impact fee system was instituted in the time of Governor Corbett there was an understanding that it was set up as an either or situation -- either the impact fees or a severance tax but not both.  It was smart politics on the part of Corbett to include money for counties that are not in the production regions, pulling in support from populous and wealthier counties that have an interest only in natural gas as an item of consumption.
I would agree with you, but it seems, Wolf has a working plan, to include a severance tax.
If that was not the case, why would it even be on the table ?
Crazy thing!  I have spoken to people on the Wolf team , about a pipeline tax ratable.
All the neighboring states tax them. FERC allows the tax to be passed on to the end uses.
Wolf must have family in the pipeline business. ;)  Probably because, it would work like the impact fees. Money will go to the areas with pipelines.
>>>> Wax, I believe there's two separate issues at hand.  The first one of the current exemption of the value of all the pipes and machinery that has to be installed to operate a pipeline which is currently not subject in Pa. to real estate tax.  The second being the imposition of a severance tax, in this case as Governor Wolf proposed, as an addition to the already existing impact fee.  I know that in New York State gas pipelines bear a considerable assessed value and tax unlike in Pennsylvania.  As to the severance tax I'm not so sure that Wolf was ever  serious about the matter, but perhaps looked upon it more as a bargaining chip than a real proposal he was willing spend political capital to achieve.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 10, 2017, 07:46:28 PM
Unless I am missing something it appears that once again the Pennsylvania state budget will not include a severance tax.  When the impact fee system was instituted in the time of Governor Corbett there was an understanding that it was set up as an either or situation -- either the impact fees or a severance tax but not both.  It was smart politics on the part of Corbett to include money for counties that are not in the production regions, pulling in support from populous and wealthier counties that have an interest only in natural gas as an item of consumption.
I would agree with you, but it seems, Wolf has a working plan, to include a severance tax.
If that was not the case, why would it even be on the table ?
Crazy thing!  I have spoken to people on the Wolf team , about a pipeline tax ratable.
All the neighboring states tax them. FERC allows the tax to be passed on to the end uses.
Wolf must have family in the pipeline business. ;)  Probably because, it would work like the impact fees. Money will go to the areas with pipelines.
>>>> Wax, I believe there's two separate issues at hand.  The first one of the current exemption of the value of all the pipes and machinery that has to be installed to operate a pipeline which is currently not subject in Pa. to real estate tax.  The second being the imposition of a severance tax, in this case as Governor Wolf proposed, as an addition to the already existing impact fee.  I know that in New York State gas pipelines bear a considerable assessed value and tax unlike in Pennsylvania.  As to the severance tax I'm not so sure that Wolf was ever  serious about the matter, but perhaps looked upon it more as a bargaining chip than a real proposal he was willing spend political capital to achieve.

http://www.cpbj.com/article/20170629/CPBJ01/170629806/as-fiscal-year-winds-down-push-for-pa-severance-tax-on-natural-gas-resurfaces (http://www.cpbj.com/article/20170629/CPBJ01/170629806/as-fiscal-year-winds-down-push-for-pa-severance-tax-on-natural-gas-resurfaces)

Three plans

The Pennsylvania Budget and Policy Center looked at three severance tax proposals, including one that would combine the impact fee and raise the effective tax rate to 5 percent.

The other two include a 3.5 percent severance tax from Republican Rep. Kate Harper, which would be on top of the impact fee, and Gov. Tom Wolf's proposed 6.5 percent severance tax that would allow companies to take the impact fee as a credit.

The report estimates that the state has lost between $1.2 billion and nearly $2 billion since 2011-12 because of not having a severance tax.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 10, 2017, 08:27:27 PM
if they lost that amount in 5 years covering some good times how does the tax make up a 2 billion short fall now  that things are slower & if they can take it as a credit doesn't that mean there not paying something else        sounds like Wolfe learned double talking from obumer  2 billion divided by 5 - impact fee   puts does nothing for short fall     
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 11, 2017, 03:36:02 AM
Republican Rep. Kate Harper, eh?  Republican?

RINO is far closer to the mark.  Sweet Kate is a Republican in the same way Arlen Specter was a Republican for so many years . . . in the same way John McCain is a Republican.

I have more respect for people like Wax and macal than I do for the likes of Harper.  At least those guys have the courage to come out boldly as a'hole Democrats.  RINOs are equally Democrats, but lack the courage to admit is.

This Harper apparition is from Montgomery County!  Real (i.e., Conservative) Republicans cannot be elected to office today in Montgomery County.  And real Republicans do NOT support a severance tax.

RINOs like Harper are the reason I left the Republican Party in 2004 and never have returned.  Who wants to claim membership in a party having so many frightened Democrats promising they are something else?

And RINOs like Harper are absolutely BELOVED by the Democrat press.  It gives them opportunity to write (in this instance) that a Republican came out for the severance tax.  What a sack of unmitigated 100% CRAP!!  Just like the Montgomery County hellhole she calls home. 
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 11, 2017, 03:56:12 AM
This is only just my take.  If you disagree, I hope you're right.

But I continue to have concern about a severance tax.  What we could face is city and suburban legislators ganging up on and overwhelming our own rural legislators.  Nothing has really been settled, except for the spending.  I mean:

Is this how you run your life?  You decide irrevocably you are going to spend money on (whatever), and then only afterward do you consider how you will PAY for the spending to which you've already committed!  What kind of cockamamie BS is that!!

I see this as Wolf's way to trap the legislature into raising revenue, including via among other methods a severance tax.  So what was the proper and correct answer to Pennsylvania's fiscal dilemma?  Simple:

CUT the GD SPENDING!!!!!!!!

Which is why big spender Wolf trapped them into a spending promise first, with no way to pay for all of it.

Obama had it easier.  He promulgated relentless spending by simply running up the national debt by nearly ten TRILLION dollars!

That option is unavailable to Wolf, since Pennsylvania cannot print its own phony money, aka "inflatodollars".  So Wolf has finagled a way to tax us to death instead  And it is looking more and more to me as if a severance tax could be in the mix.  Could this suck any more?  Nope

 
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 11, 2017, 05:21:56 AM



  Numbers. 6.5% on $3.00 natural gas is 20 cents. Retail price is about $10 for residential. That's 2% increase. Much of our gas is going to NY and NJ. So if the conservative view of taxes are passed on to consumers it looks like those states would be paying for that tax. Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 11, 2017, 06:04:54 AM
weren't you bragging how cabot was contracted to delivery gas to local plant   won't that tax effect local people  I thought we were one united states not each state for it's self  you don't care about your buddy wolf when soon I hope moves to nj 
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 11, 2017, 06:15:05 AM



  Some of that electricity will most likely make it out of state.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 11, 2017, 06:27:34 AM
some     most likely      really      only a lib could use such logic    do you even believe what you say 
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 11, 2017, 07:13:15 AM



 The Panda plant in Wysox is putting out 850 megawatts. I would wager some of that is headed across the border to the Southern Tier of NY.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Rockdale on July 11, 2017, 07:56:34 AM



 The Panda plant in Wysox is putting out 850 megawatts. I would wager some of that is headed across the border to the Southern Tier of NY.
>>> Given the fact that Pennsylvania has only 4% of the US population but produces 16% of the natural gas (second only to Texas) it is a certainty that Pennsylvania natural gas sold as a raw commodity or converted into electricity is going to have to find markets outside the state.  There are now a lot of brand new gas fired electric plants already in operation or under construction all of which are not captive to any particular electric utility, but opportunistically sell their product into an open market and whose profitability would increase enormously if they could run on close to a full time basis rather than only sporadically.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 11, 2017, 08:44:31 AM
wager guess but know clue    but even if it does what's your point      are they only going to tax gas used to produce electric that goes to ny
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 11, 2017, 09:14:42 AM



  I can get some estimates on the NY consumption.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Rockdale on July 11, 2017, 12:30:28 PM
There will be no need to engage in gambling on this site.  The brand new Pennsylvania state budget is going to provide for gambling opportunities at every possible location so you will be able to lose your money with the greatest of ease at all the new slot machines, roulette wheels and other games of chance.  As to how much natural gas states such as Pennsylvania and New York consume that's easily obtained on the EIA website.  Their latest estimate for 2016 shows that New York consumed some 1,293,686 million cubic feet of which 477,867 went towards making electricity while Pennsylvania went through 1,082,675 million cubic feet of which 500,656 was converted into electricity.  It's unfortunate that in the natural gas business we don't have some less awkward measure than the cubic foot or BTU.  At least petroleum is counted by barrels and gallons and not drops.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 11, 2017, 12:32:21 PM
looking forward to seeing amount of electric generated panda that goes to ny  while your at it let us know  how much stays in Towanda & wyalusing
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 11, 2017, 12:53:22 PM
There will be no need to engage in gambling on this site.  The brand new Pennsylvania state budget is going to provide for gambling opportunities at every possible location so you will be able to lose your money with the greatest of ease at all the new slot machines, roulette wheels and other games of chance.  As to how much natural gas states such as Pennsylvania and New York consume that's easily obtained on the EIA website.  Their latest estimate for 2016 shows that New York consumed some 1,293,686 million cubic feet of which 477,867 went towards making electricity while Pennsylvania went through 1,082,675 million cubic feet of which 500,656 was converted into electricity.  It's unfortunate that in the natural gas business we don't have some less awkward measure than the cubic foot or BTU.  At least petroleum is counted by barrels and gallons and not drops.
gambling opportunities at every possible location
What kind of leaders do we have ? Its hardly the rich who gamble away their food money.
I bought 3 lottery tickets, like 2 years back. I handed the money to the cashier, after she printed the tickets, I walked out. As I was backing out, she approached my car. She said, I only gave her three dollars, and the tickets have been two dollars each for years. slaplaugh
Now, I see thirty dollar tickets, in the vending machines. PA or- and NY. Just insane.  After they lose all their gambling money, they cannot take care of their needs. And, the state is well aware of it.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Rockdale on July 11, 2017, 01:06:33 PM
Wax, while there are a few politicians who out of moral reservations and a sense of what gambling does to a society who are against the gambling "industry" most are just too happy to keep expanding it infinitely.  It's a hidden tax on the poor since only suckers play against such long odds as the state lotteries which are now so ubiquitous.  State lotteries are all set up to pay out just a little bit more than half in winnings of what is gambled with the rest going to the house and the state tax collector.  Even the Mafia gives much better odds in the gambling it offers.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: fredrodgers on July 11, 2017, 06:26:00 PM
This doesn't sound good

http://www.pennlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/07/shale_tax_vote.html

Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: admin on July 11, 2017, 07:20:53 PM
In the end, it is the consumer who pays the tax.  The companies simply add the extra expenses to the price of natural gas.  So instead of upping the tax you pay at tax time, you simply pay the new taxes in your gas bill each month.  That is much easier to slide through politically.  The taxpayers get frustrated at the  higher gas bills and the politicians get more money to squander,  while shifting the blame to  the big bad gas companies for increases in gas prices.

An historically classic example of our elected representatives representing our best interests.   headpat
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 11, 2017, 08:15:08 PM
In the end, it is the consumer who pays the tax. 


"Certain" members have yet to wrap their minds around that.  More's the pity.  The consumer also pays the impact fees, but at least that money stay close to where it's best use lies.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 11, 2017, 08:40:06 PM
End users(you) pay it all.


The Average American Worker Earns Less Today Than 40 Years Ago
It’s not just unemployment that matters. Many full-time workers take home less money, after inflation, than in decades.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3051326/the-average-american-worker-earns-less-today-than-40-years-ago (https://www.fastcompany.com/3051326/the-average-american-worker-earns-less-today-than-40-years-ago)
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 11, 2017, 09:07:54 PM
 
  2% to the end users. And many of those live in Jersey and New York. Cost them maybe an extra $40 a year.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: shinobi on July 12, 2017, 05:15:15 AM
This doesn't sound good

http://www.pennlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/07/shale_tax_vote.html

Good, but most concerning, post, Fred.  Thank you.

I posted my opinion on this yesterday:

http://www.naturalgasforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=26707.msg296598#msg296598 (http://www.naturalgasforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=26707.msg296598#msg296598)

You can pretty much see the handwriting on the wall.  It's city and suburban vs. rural.  Our people control the leadership, but we do not have the numbers when Democrats are allowed to vote along with their RINO buddies.

I disagree sharply with voices here saying severance tax cost will be borne by end users of our natural gas.  Well, yes of course, end users will pick up some of the gas companies' share . . . to the extent a pass along is feasible.

But my lease is what it is, the legislature cannot change our leases, and I along with hundreds of other landowners have that ad valorem tax sharing provision in my lease.  This means I will lose money if a severance tax is enacted, money no end user of my gas will have to pay.  I will pay.

Idiots here say Wolf will protect us landowners.  Sure.  This is akin to Obama having said "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" and "If you like your plan you can keep your plan".  All BS, all Democrat lies, precisely what you expect from them.  Wolf cannot change my lease any more than the legislature can.  The lease is what it is.

Furthermore, if they keep the impact fee and ADD a severance tax on top, I'm convinced my land will be drilled later rather than sooner.  Added taxation does nothing whatsoever to help my prospects, or to help the prospects of other landowners waiting and hoping to be drilled.

I hope our rural leaders can withstand the pressure.  But I agree with you, Fred, the situation is not looking very good at all right now.

Finally, I urge my fellow landowners to take a close look at your leases.  Find it, dust it off, and read it closely.  Many of us signed leases between five and ten years ago.  It is time to refresh yourself on the terms of your lease, and in particular regarding those related to payment of taxes in general, and ad valorem taxes in particular.

Remember, ad valorem taxes are those levied in proportion to the value of the goods  concerned.  There is no ad valorem taxation associated with the impact fee.  But a severance tax is an ad valorem tax.  Keep that in mind as you read your lease.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 12, 2017, 05:53:02 AM
End users(you) pay it all.
The Average American Worker Earns Less Today Than 40 Years Ago
It’s not just unemployment that matters. Many full-time workers take home less money, after inflation, than in decades.
https://www.fastcompany.com/3051326/the-average-american-worker-earns-less-today-than-40-years-ago (https://www.fastcompany.com/3051326/the-average-american-worker-earns-less-today-than-40-years-ago)
For what it's worth:  In 1973 in NYC I was a fairly new switchman for NY Telephone.  My wages were $220 per week.  I was (am still) married with one (now four) child.  We were living in the nice middle class neighborhood of College Point and were paying $225 per month plus utilities for a large six room apartment in a private home with full use of the yard and driveway.  We had two good vehicles and ate well.  FICA was payed in full in August, and from then on we were able to up our savings for a future home to $100 per week without any change in our lifestyle.  By the early eighties, my wages had risen significantly, but any earnings above $500 per week were taxed, between federal, state, and local income taxes, at just about 50% and if we hadn't owned our two-family home in Queens we would not have been able to afford to live there.  Due to TAXES, not due to a lack of wages.  There was plenty of overtime in those days to make just about whatever you wanted, we just could not keep it - due to TAXES.

Thank you very much tax and spend liberals of BOTH parties. 
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 12, 2017, 05:59:00 AM
P.S.  As for health insurance, if any family member (wife/kids) required hospital care all I had to do was to show the admittance people my NY Telephone ID card, they made the calls and 100% of the hospital costs were covered - except for a telephone in the room.  If I wanted that, I had to pay for it  :).  We've come a long way, baby!!
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Rockdale on July 12, 2017, 06:28:36 AM
Real inflation adjusted wages peaked for most occupations by the late 1960's and early 70's.  There is a fortunate minority of around 10% mostly composed of executives and professionals who have seen their real wages grow but they are far outnumbered by those who have fallen behind.  What prevented a catastrophic situation in many families was that millions of married women with small children entered or re-entered the work force in these last few decades.  Also, the level of indebtedness as compared to income rose sharply in order to maintain the family standard of living.  I would think it is the services people need to purchase, especially health care and education, which are chiefly responsible for the deterioration rather than the purchase of goods.  At least in these last few years a vastly more efficient energy sector has brought down the relative expense of its product helping a lot of people even if they are barely conscious of that element.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 12, 2017, 06:51:27 AM



  73 % of Pennsylvanians are in favor of imposing a severance tax on natural gas production. Doesn't matter Yaw and House leadership will not let it happen. Same with the Minimum Royalty bills that people want. I would like to see an up or down vote on each of these proposals. Don't think that's going to happen anytime soon. So all you boys can just relax.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 12, 2017, 07:29:16 AM
same pole takers that said Clinton would win   of course 73% said yes no cost to them your the 1 exception  the hell with the 23% that are getting the benefits now same logic you have that that only people from out of state will pay tax
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 12, 2017, 07:36:44 AM



  I don't think I said that. I said that much of our gas is going out of state. Trump won. Hope they don't start locking up his kids.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 12, 2017, 09:29:21 AM



  73 % of Pennsylvanians are in favor of imposing a severance tax on natural gas production.
If you accept Philly, H-burg, and Lancaster as representative of all Pennsyltuckians, that 73% may hold water. For sure, not in Susqui Cnty.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 12, 2017, 09:36:06 AM
a friend of mine went to his union meeting outside of Philadelphia last night. first subject on the agenda, was the severance tax. big corporations and new millionaire mineral owners not paying their fair share. this needs to stop they told their members. vote the bums out who won't get that money for them.

we're gonna get fleeced by these guys, but probably not this year. they can't stand to see us doing well without them getting a cut.

liberals excel at legalizing extortion...politically.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 12, 2017, 09:38:47 AM
we were talking about seattle earlier.

they have a new fleecing game going...

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/tax-the-rich-seattles-new-income-tax-on-the-wealthy-sparks-social-media-firestorm/

doesn't matter what the voters or constitution say, they want more!

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 12, 2017, 11:30:32 AM
a friend of mine went to his union meeting outside of Philadelphia last night. first subject on the agenda, was the severance tax. big corporations and new millionaire mineral owners not paying their fair share. this needs to stop they told their members. vote the bums out who won't get that money for them.

we're gonna get fleeced by these guys, but probably not this year. they can't stand to see us doing well without them getting a cut.

liberals excel at legalizing extortion...politically.

wj
a friend of mine went to his union meeting  slaplaugh slaplaugh slaplaugh slaplaugh
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 12, 2017, 11:54:53 AM
a friend of mine went to his union meeting  slaplaugh slaplaugh slaplaugh slaplaugh
That's funny?  Happens that there is a large number of union members in this area, and as well there's an even greater number that come in, do work, then go home to some other place in PA. Now, rest assured that local 542 (OE) and the laborers want to wet their beaks, but you won't hear that noise from the pipeliners or electricians.  Pull it out wax, your credibility is about to hit a new low.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 12, 2017, 12:00:21 PM
a friend of mine went to his union meeting  slaplaugh slaplaugh slaplaugh slaplaugh
That's funny?  Happens that there is a large number of union members in this area, and as well there's an even greater number that come in, do work, then go home to some other place in PA. Now, rest assured that local 542 (OE) and the laborers want to wet their beaks, but you won't hear that noise from the pipeliners or electricians.  Pull it out wax, your credibility is about to hit a new low.

Friend & Union Member , you to,  slaplaugh slaplaugh slaplaugh slaplaugh slaplaugh slaplaugh
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 12, 2017, 02:09:44 PM
a friend of mine went to his union meeting  slaplaugh slaplaugh slaplaugh slaplaugh

you wanna meet him wax? he'll be up again in a month or so, and he'd love to meet you I'm sure. be good for a laugh at least.

he's actually the perfect example of where unions help those who need them. he's a good guy, but not real bright. makes a lot of bad decisions. before he got his union job he was down for the count. lost a good government job due to cutbacks, maxed out his credit cards to maintain his living standards and was ready to lose everything when another friend said they were hiring.

after 5 years at $35/hr, he's almost caught up....except he keeps buying new trucks and guns.

he has no skills, so he needs the union. it's a good fit.

he isn't a government worker now, so I couldn't care less how much his union extorts from their employer. doesn't cost me a penny. i don't buy their product, I buy Chinese, way cheaper.

wj



Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 13, 2017, 05:08:33 AM


  Rat, as far as power from Panda in Wysox half goes PPL on a long term contract the rest is put up for bid. But still the tax is only 20 cents on $ 3.00 wholesale price of gas. Then when converted to electricity and sold retail that increase is really down to a very small increase.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 13, 2017, 06:43:52 AM
so I guess you don't know how much goes out of state may all stay in state & pa residents will pay all the tax
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 13, 2017, 06:54:23 AM



  A few cents more per unit. :-[
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 13, 2017, 07:18:20 AM
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a friend of mine went to his union meeting  slaplaugh slaplaugh slaplaugh slaplaugh

you wanna meet him wax? he'll be up again in a month or so, and he'd love to meet you I'm sure. be good for a laugh at least.

he's actually the perfect example of where unions help those who need them. he's a good guy, but not real bright. makes a lot of bad decisions. before he got his union job he was down for the count. lost a good government job due to cutbacks, maxed out his credit cards to maintain his living standards and was ready to lose everything when another friend said they were hiring.

after 5 years at $35/hr, he's almost caught up....except he keeps buying new trucks and guns.

he has no skills, so he needs the union. it's a good fit.

he isn't a government worker now, so I couldn't care less how much his union extorts from their employer. doesn't cost me a penny. i don't buy their product, I buy Chinese, way cheaper.

wj
Depending on what job field your friend is in, he has made the right choice.
Not doing so! would equate to signing a "boiler plate lease ".

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Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 13, 2017, 08:03:32 AM
a few cents more same logic as only out of stayers pay      if you can't verify your statements you should stop posting them  there are new people on this site that may believe what your saying
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 13, 2017, 08:10:55 AM



  Nobody here. You chased them all away.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 13, 2017, 08:18:38 AM
a few cents more same logic as only out of stayers pay      if you can't verify your statements you should stop posting them  there are new people on this site that may believe what your saying
First you need to understand the meaning of averages.

wj friend   $35/hr, X 40 = 1400 a week. Do you see that on the average chart.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 13, 2017, 08:29:10 AM
wax. are you talking to me or rat?

and in either case, what is it that you're saying or asking?

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 13, 2017, 09:09:56 AM
wondering the same thing  my response was to at home ma  cal
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 13, 2017, 09:18:50 AM
at his best, he's difficult to understand, but when he goes off his meds, we get this.

all ya gotta do with the basement dweller is give him a snickers and a can of diet coke and he goes back to his mortal kombat game.

 slaplaugh
   wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 13, 2017, 09:28:05 AM


  I'm making a list of people you guys don't like.


  1. Liberals
  2. Democrats
  3. Government Employees
  4. Union Workers. That's a double whammy on teachers.
  5. Moderate Republicans.
  6. People that want a Minimum Royalty Bill.
  7. People that take government assistance.
  8. People that want a higher minimum wage.
   
   Fill in the rest. I know there are more.
   

Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 13, 2017, 09:38:45 AM
at his best, he's difficult to understand, but when he goes off his meds, we get this.

all ya gotta do with the basement dweller is give him a snickers and a can of diet coke and he goes back to his mortal kombat game.

 slaplaugh
   wj
Apparently , your home made, cider, destroyed a good portion of your brain.
When has the Rat started to like unions ? wj & rat share the same brain. (ideas)
I did think he responded to the chart I posted.
My apologies. :-*
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 13, 2017, 10:07:36 AM
sooooo....basically, you imagined that rat responded to one of your posts, and you were responding to that imaginary post?

and of course, we both have brain damage....

glad we cleared that up, huh rat?

 slaplaugh
   wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 13, 2017, 12:58:56 PM


  I'm making a list of people you guys don't like.


  1. Liberals
  2. Democrats
  3. Government Employees
  4. Union Workers. That's a double whammy on teachers.
  5. Moderate Republicans.
  6. People that want a Minimum Royalty Bill.
  7. People that take government assistance.
  8. People that want a higher minimum wage.
   
   Fill in the rest. I know there are more.
 
libs     your right there       dems   just the ones that went off the far left click aka you       government employees  false news by ma   cal       min royalty bill more fake news by ma cal why would anyone care if there's a minimum royality bill   people that take government assistance    hot if they truly deserve it but when the  family down the street with 4 kids & unmarried with father living with  yea I'm a no  minimum wage   should be controlled by state   $15  is squat in ny city but probably  over board in some other states    union workers  nothing against workers it's the union management that mmessed thinks up   moderate repub  wrong again  just rino's     as far as the rest   how about far left wacko libs that think they know how I should live & what I should do with my money
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 13, 2017, 09:18:31 PM



  They all have been disparaged badly here. Gotta blame somebody. Unions, teachers, Dems. Hey I forgot Mexicans.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Rockdale on July 14, 2017, 05:22:33 AM
It wouldn't be prudent to rile the Mexicans too much.  At present Mexico is buying in an average day about 5% of US natural gas production.  A sharp contrast to 15 or 20 years ago when Mexico was a large scale exporter of natural gas to US markets.  And at that time before shale gas really got rolling a lot of people expected that Mexico would be a bigger exporter to us in the future.  But as it has turned out we now can sell rather than buy, and Mexico is going through the same changes we are in its electrical power supply industry in changing from coal to natural gas in order to address environmental issues.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: macal on July 14, 2017, 05:34:44 AM



   Rock, I think the coal to nat gas conversion is a world wide phenomenon. So much cleaner.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: riverrat on July 14, 2017, 06:36:25 AM
don't bet against clean coal  remember "WE CAN"T DRILL OUR WAY OUT OF THIS"
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Rockdale on July 14, 2017, 07:23:34 AM
don't bet against clean coal  remember "WE CAN"T DRILL OUR WAY OUT OF THIS"
>>> There's always the possibility of some new technological breakthrough with any energy source.  Hydraulic fracturing and shale being the perfect example.  But so far "clean coal" consists primarily of diagrams and models rather than actual operating plants.  There hadn't been any new coal fired power plants for years until the Southern Company,  a major electric utility, began to build its new plant in Kemper, Mississippi which was to turn lignite coal into power.  After a lot of delays and cost overruns the announcement came through a few weeks ago that coal would not be used after all, but the plant which is still under construction would run on natural gas.  Something on the order of 3 to 4 billion dollars is to be written off by Southern.  With all of the losses incurred to be borne by electric rate payers in future electric bills in the poorest state in the union.  A catastrophic failure which makes the much talked about Solyndra seem like a minor problem.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 14, 2017, 09:12:40 AM
don't bet against clean coal  remember "WE CAN"T DRILL OUR WAY OUT OF THIS"
>>> There's always the possibility of some new technological breakthrough with any energy source.  Hydraulic fracturing and shale being the perfect example.  But so far "clean coal" consists primarily of diagrams and models rather than actual operating plants.  There hadn't been any new coal fired power plants for years until the Southern Company,  a major electric utility, began to build its new plant in Kemper, Mississippi which was to turn lignite coal into power.  After a lot of delays and cost overruns the announcement came through a few weeks ago that coal would not be used after all, but the plant which is still under construction would run on natural gas.  Something on the order of 3 to 4 billion dollars is to be written off by Southern.  With all of the losses incurred to be borne by electric rate payers in future electric bills in the poorest state in the union.  A catastrophic failure which makes the much talked about Solyndra seem like a minor problem.
What is the price of coal ? It does not seem  affordable.


 Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:15 pm

So I just called a coal supplier in Chambersburg, PA. $210 ton picked up
http://nepacrossroads.com/about35972.html (http://nepacrossroads.com/about35972.html)
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Dr. Optimistic on July 14, 2017, 10:27:01 AM
Wax,

Your link takes us to a thread that is titled “What's the Price of 1 Ton 2014-2015”.

You ignored a thread titled “Anthracite Price Per Ton for the 2016-2017 Heating Season”
http://nepacrossroads.com/about41105.html

Use this link and be honest with current prices/cost to see what is affordable.
http://nepacrossroads.com/fuel-comparison-calculator.php

Still have to factor in environmental impact for true cost.

P. S. Don’t mention the fake lunar landing!!! :P
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: kenneth12 on July 14, 2017, 01:06:05 PM
Wax,
Your link takes us to a thread that is titled “What's the Price of 1 Ton 2014-2015”.

You ignored a thread titled “Anthracite Price Per Ton for the 2016-2017 Heating Season”
http://nepacrossroads.com/about41105.html

Use this link and be honest with current prices/cost to see what is affordable.
http://nepacrossroads.com/fuel-comparison-calculator.php

Still have to factor in environmental impact for true cost.

P. S. Don’t mention the fake lunar landing!!! :P
Thanks for the links doc.  Very handy little calculator.  Just a caveat (just one, there may be more that others can think of) to be considered if you're considering changing fuels.  After years of heating our single story ranch home (Not our hot water) with a stoker stove in the basement, we (hey, the kids are raised and gone and not available to carry coal and ashes [and the wife refuses], something had to give - and besides the stoker was getting old and beginning to die anyway) switched over to two Rinnai wall furnaces (propane, ng is not - yet - available here), one in the (finished) basement and one in the living area.  We found out two or three things this past winter and this summer.  We always ran the stoker stove on idle all summer to keep the dampness out of the basement area and also to keep the stove from rusting, and with this we were burning 4 to 5 tons of coal a year, plus the electric to keep it going.  Since last August, we have run the basement Rinnai heater to keep the dampness down and the living area one as needed upstairs over the winter.  We had to burn some 20-25 lbs a day of coal in the summer in order to keep the draft going - burning more on hot days than on colder days and keeping the basement warmer that we wanted but had to to keep a fire.  With the propane, we were able to keep a steady temp.  Bottom line: the switch to propane - with the lower per gallon cost of propane due to buying more per year (we heat hot water with it and cook with it) we actually saved about $700 this year in fuel costs - plus our electric is a bit lower.  So, just something to consider and I'm sure that everyone has his own factors, but fuel conversion cost should be only one factor to consider in your choice of fuels.  And, hey, I don't miss carrying coal and ashes and there's no more fly ash to keep the wife busy...
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 14, 2017, 01:28:53 PM
Wax,

Your link takes us to a thread that is titled “What's the Price of 1 Ton 2014-2015”.

You ignored a thread titled “Anthracite Price Per Ton for the 2016-2017 Heating Season”
http://nepacrossroads.com/about41105.html

Use this link and be honest with current prices/cost to see what is affordable.
http://nepacrossroads.com/fuel-comparison-calculator.php

Still have to factor in environmental impact for true cost.

P. S. Don’t mention the fake lunar landing!!! :P

What ! Did you expect me to do everything ?  ;)
Coal is black gold also. Just looked out of curiosity.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 14, 2017, 02:16:27 PM
Did you expect me to do everything ?

not really, but you should at least try to be honest.

you guys always make stuff up, hoping that no one will check.

refer back to the gross inaccuracies and distortions of this thread, and here we are.

wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: aubrey on July 14, 2017, 02:21:41 PM
Wax,

P. S. Don’t mention the fake lunar landing!!! :P

spoil sport.

the beers are cold, and we're all set.

c'mon wax, tell us about the faked moon landings.

 slaplaugh
   wj
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: ghrit on July 14, 2017, 02:34:10 PM
Har-de-har.  Before you rub out all coal use, bear in mind that is a huge range of coal out there ranging from hard (say anthracite) thru various grades of bituminous to lignite all the way to nearly peat.  There just may be a way to use some of it beneficially for energy.  Low sulphur bituminous retains favor since sulphur is one of the less fun things to remove, either preburn or from the stack gas.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 14, 2017, 06:23:45 PM
Wax,

P. S. Don’t mention the fake lunar landing!!! :P

spoil sport.

the beers are cold, and we're all set.

c'mon wax, tell us about the faked moon landings.

 slaplaugh
   wj
You believe him ?  :D

NASA astronaut who walked on Moon says UFO crashed in Roswell and aliens WERE found

A NASA astronaut who once walked on the Moon says he STILL believes a UFO with aliens DID crash in a US desert before the government covered it up.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/576996/NASA-astronaut-walked-Moon-UFO-crashed-Roswell-aliens-found (http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/576996/NASA-astronaut-walked-Moon-UFO-crashed-Roswell-aliens-found)
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Dr. Optimistic on July 14, 2017, 06:30:42 PM
WOW! I wish the fish would bite that easily.
Title: Re: Wolf renews call for severance tax
Post by: Wax on July 14, 2017, 06:54:00 PM
WOW! I wish the fish would bite that easily.
They only count, when you land one. ;D