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Title: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: PaShaleAdvocate on October 11, 2017, 06:03:29 AM
The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier

New York’s Southern Tier is dying, slowly and painfully, abandoned by its state leaders as it is forced to witness what could be from across a dividing line.

http://naturalgasnow.org/dividing-line-hope-darkness-southern-tier/
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: firecutter874 on October 11, 2017, 07:58:32 AM
This is a must watch, for PA or NY residents. Living almost on the NY PA state line I see first hand all the effects of the have and have not.

NY has put the people of the Southern Teir in a position that clearly gives them a negative outlook to the future, because they can see, just a short look over the boarder what has transpired in PA as this vidio puts forth.

PA residents, count your Blessings, made very visable in what the Southern Tier of NY has to contend with.

In NY almost ALL the Townships and Counties has raised their Taxes every year in the time frame of the Gas Era.

Not so in PA, if you are astute and watch this, my guess it is because of the PA Gas Exploration.

My opinion.

firecutter
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: aubrey on October 11, 2017, 08:35:25 AM
liberals destroy everything good that they can get their hands on. these folks need to vote themselves a better future, and pa needs to get rid of wolf before he ruins our future.

too bad we didn't hang on to Corbett.

wj
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: riverrat on October 11, 2017, 10:50:05 AM
the libs are out to take over not only this country but the world  & there's no working with them  there attitude is I'm right & your stupid & know anything   we have to stay strong   thank god for Trump   think were we'd be heading if Clinton & all the dinosaurs in congress were left lose
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: firecutter874 on October 11, 2017, 05:40:04 PM
WJ, Wolf is the product of the Philly Area, enough said.

We in PA have to contend with this SE Region that trys to control our lives.

Up State NY has to contend with the New York City region et al, and it controls their lives to be surre.

firecutter
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: Wax on October 11, 2017, 06:39:52 PM
the libs are out to take over not only this country but the world  & there's no working with them  there attitude is I'm right & your stupid & know anything   we have to stay strong   thank god for Trump   think were we'd be heading if Clinton & all the dinosaurs in congress were left lose
Trump tax plan is a scam.  PERIOD
https://www.salon.com/2017/10/02/tax-reform-for-the-rich-trumps-plan-abandons-his-working-class-supporters_partner/ (https://www.salon.com/2017/10/02/tax-reform-for-the-rich-trumps-plan-abandons-his-working-class-supporters_partner/)
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: riverrat on October 12, 2017, 06:53:03 AM
the libs are out to take over not only this country but the world  & there's no working with them  there attitude is I'm right & your stupid & know anything   we have to stay strong   thank god for Trump   think were we'd be heading if Clinton & all the dinosaurs in congress were left lose
Trump tax plan is a scam.  PERIOD
https://www.salon.com/2017/10/02/tax-reform-for-the-rich-trumps-plan-abandons-his-working-class-supporters_partner/ (https://www.salon.com/2017/10/02/tax-reform-for-the-rich-trumps-plan-abandons-his-working-class-supporters_partner/)
more lib bull  far left spin       just goes to show I'm right about the libs
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: Wax on October 12, 2017, 09:48:17 AM
the libs are out to take over not only this country but the world  & there's no working with them  there attitude is I'm right & your stupid & know anything   we have to stay strong   thank god for Trump   think were we'd be heading if Clinton & all the dinosaurs in congress were left lose
Trump tax plan is a scam.  PERIOD
https://www.salon.com/2017/10/02/tax-reform-for-the-rich-trumps-plan-abandons-his-working-class-supporters_partner/ (https://www.salon.com/2017/10/02/tax-reform-for-the-rich-trumps-plan-abandons-his-working-class-supporters_partner/)
more lib bull  far left spin       just goes to show I'm right about the libs
Facts are spin ? Tax cuts for Billionaires, in a bankrupt country, is nothing new. It has proven not to give the working class, any measurable increase in income, since the Reaganomics era.
I forgive you for being brainwashed. Most of the country is.
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: aubrey on October 12, 2017, 10:01:38 AM
gotta love the sudden interest in our fiscal situation.

for 8 years we went on an uncontrolled spending spree, doubling our debt and getting us nothing in return. and now, a tax cut will hurt us.  slaplaugh

it's over. no amount of growth will bring this debt down, especially given that there's no interest in decreasing spending.

might as well cut taxes and have one last party before the dollar becomes just another failed fiat currency. it was nice while it lasted, but the party is coming to an end. thanks libs.

wj
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: aubrey on October 12, 2017, 10:03:28 AM
WJ, Wolf is the product of the Philly Area, enough said.

We in PA have to contend with this SE Region that trys to control our lives.

Up State NY has to contend with the New York City region et al, and it controls their lives to be surre.

firecutter

agreed, but unless the government of n.y. changes, n.y. will remain as they are...observers.

wj
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: riverrat on October 12, 2017, 10:15:25 AM
facts from chuck nancy  wax  & the liberal news & elites  of a tax plan that's not fully written    hope your grand mother doesn't fall off the cliff     facts from you we've all read some of your far out post    you libs are done go sit in a corner with your tin foil cap  & dribble   why shouldn't all get a tax cut      & billionaires don't pay taxes ask your boy   buffet   get your facts straight before you rant MSNBC  CNN bull   DUMP WOLF & YAW
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: aubrey on October 12, 2017, 01:11:18 PM
the house just passed a $36B "disaster relief bill".

we don't have the $20T, so what's another $36B? it's just paper.

let's have a tax cut and enjoy ourselves.  slaplaugh

wj

Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: Wax on October 12, 2017, 01:21:21 PM
facts from chuck nancy  wax  & the liberal news & elites  of a tax plan that's not fully written    hope your grand mother doesn't fall off the cliff     facts from you we've all read some of your far out post    you libs are done go sit in a corner with your tin foil cap  & dribble   why shouldn't all get a tax cut      & billionaires don't pay taxes ask your boy   buffet   get your facts straight before you rant MSNBC  CNN bull   DUMP WOLF & YAW
Anyone with a brain, can do math ? Trump was my man. Read some of my post about him. He was not a politician, and was going to Drain the SWAMP. Stop Wars, TAX THE WEALTHY, and provide "Great Healthcare" "GOOD JOBS"
They killed Trump" and put a PUPPET in his place.
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: riverrat on October 12, 2017, 02:43:09 PM
nice side step
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: firecutter874 on October 12, 2017, 03:34:02 PM
How the Hades did this get from "Darkness for the Southern Tier".

Yo Wax I don't know about you but I just opened  some invoices of investments I have and they had more growth in the past nine months than all the Eight Years BHO was in office, I guess Wall Street has a bunch of Dummies working in that building.

Just another Dummy here in the Boon Docks

firecutter
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: ghrit on October 12, 2017, 03:58:48 PM
Albany will just continue to raise taxes until they are "high enough" as judged by the head lib.  Then, if the southern tier is lucky, they'll let drilling commence so they can tax that as well.
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: Rockdale on October 12, 2017, 05:30:12 PM
I found the "distressed communities index" research paper a very worthwhile document to read.  On the level of comparison in the Marcellus shale region a startling contrast is made in the US map of communities classified by color code where formerly prosperous Broome County, NY is labeled as "at risk" and Susquehanna County to its immediate south is now rated "comfortable"  on page 37 of the report.  Something that probably would have been considered unimaginable 20 years ago.  Still in all, it would be gratifying to see that more of the shale gas region counties were in the two shades of blue and fewer were tan showing the need for improvement.  I think the Marcellus/Utica region will come into its own and reach full potential when ways are found to add value to the natural gas.  There is a major industry in sending out massive and ever growing volumes of gas as a raw material but there could be a true renaissance of the local economy when the gas is processed into a higher value product close to the wells and a lot more people at better incomes are involved in that undertaking.
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: ghrit on October 12, 2017, 06:33:32 PM
http://eig.org/dci
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: Wax on October 12, 2017, 10:11:53 PM
How the Hades did this get from "Darkness for the Southern Tier".

Yo Wax I don't know about you but I just opened  some invoices of investments I have and they had more growth in the past nine months than all the Eight Years BHO was in office, I guess Wall Street has a bunch of Dummies working in that building.

Just another Dummy here in the Boon Docks

firecutter
It might be a good time for you to sell.  GM was once hundred dollars before, it became worthless. But I am glad to hear you made money. Maybe . (you need to sell high and buy low).
 I am in Susquehanna County, with thousands of other property owners, who are not leased. So we are sharing the NY Darkness with those of NY. Why ? The industry will not lease land unless they , "need it now". The industry has done little, to change the tide in NY.  And I have not seen any local improvements although wells surround the town of Susquehanna. The real-estate market has not changed, and many abandoned homes near town. But without drilling it would be far worst. I can see industry fleet vehicles in masses. So small business owners have to be doing better. But it is nothing like Huston Texas, as some have foreseen. 
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: macal on October 13, 2017, 03:55:10 AM



  The energy boom in NE PA has created many good jobs and also many business opportunities. Its has changed from the beginning when most of the work force came in from out of state and the rental market went off the charts and hurt some of the low income locals. Real estate and the rental market is now back to being reasonable.
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: Rockdale on October 13, 2017, 06:25:11 AM
How the Hades did this get from "Darkness for the Southern Tier".

Yo Wax I don't know about you but I just opened  some invoices of investments I have and they had more growth in the past nine months than all the Eight Years BHO was in office, I guess Wall Street has a bunch of Dummies working in that building.

Just another Dummy here in the Boon Docks

firecutter
It might be a good time for you to sell.  GM was once hundred dollars before, it became worthless. But I am glad to hear you made money. Maybe . (you need to sell high and buy low).
 I am in Susquehanna County, with thousands of other property owners, who are not leased. So we are sharing the NY Darkness with those of NY. Why ? The industry will not lease land unless they , "need it now". The industry has done little, to change the tide in NY.  And I have not seen any local improvements although wells surround the town of Susquehanna. The real-estate market has not changed, and many abandoned homes near town. But without drilling it would be far worst. I can see industry fleet vehicles in masses. So small business owners have to be doing better. But it is nothing like Huston Texas, as some have foreseen.
>>>> Wax, I would expect that as long as natural gas is so low priced in northeastern Pennsylvania that there will be a continued absence of decent offers to lease additional acreage.  Everyone knows there is a lot of acreage that is likely to contain natural gas in paying quantities, but there is no urgency to develop those properties or even to lease them at this moment in time.  On the positive side numerous pipeline projects are proceeding even if a crucial project such as the Constitution remains in limbo.  In a matter of weeks Cove Point should be receiving its first natural gas as the machinery is tested out.  With Cove Point Marcellus/Utica natural gas will have found a local outlet to the world market.
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: Wax on October 13, 2017, 07:16:05 AM
How the Hades did this get from "Darkness for the Southern Tier".

Yo Wax I don't know about you but I just opened  some invoices of investments I have and they had more growth in the past nine months than all the Eight Years BHO was in office, I guess Wall Street has a bunch of Dummies working in that building.

Just another Dummy here in the Boon Docks

firecutter
It might be a good time for you to sell.  GM was once hundred dollars before, it became worthless. But I am glad to hear you made money. Maybe . (you need to sell high and buy low).
 I am in Susquehanna County, with thousands of other property owners, who are not leased. So we are sharing the NY Darkness with those of NY. Why ? The industry will not lease land unless they , "need it now". The industry has done little, to change the tide in NY.  And I have not seen any local improvements although wells surround the town of Susquehanna. The real-estate market has not changed, and many abandoned homes near town. But without drilling it would be far worst. I can see industry fleet vehicles in masses. So small business owners have to be doing better. But it is nothing like Huston Texas, as some have foreseen.
>>>> Wax, I would expect that as long as natural gas is so low priced in northeastern Pennsylvania that there will be a continued absence of decent offers to lease additional acreage.  Everyone knows there is a lot of acreage that is likely to contain natural gas in paying quantities, but there is no urgency to develop those properties or even to lease them at this moment in time.  On the positive side numerous pipeline projects are proceeding even if a crucial project such as the Constitution remains in limbo.  In a matter of weeks Cove Point should be receiving its first natural gas as the machinery is tested out.  With Cove Point Marcellus/Utica natural gas will have found a local outlet to the world market.
Yes you are correct. However my point being, if you live in the same are as Bill Gate, that does not make you a billionaire. You get the idea. As a percentage, how many families are benefiting from gas development in Susquehanna County. My best guess would be 30%.
Towns like Susquehanna, still have the largest population and postage stamp lots, with no lease. As far as I know, East of the town of Susquehanna , no land is leased.
Pipeline projects provide good jobs, but a "small" one time payment to landowners. I know, pipelines are necessary to expand the gas industry, and provide better opportunities to many. I also believe NY, landowners, needs to work hard now, to abolish laws, that took away their property rights. One could only hope, a brilliant attorney, somewhere, seeing this huge injustice, would lead the charge against NY.
Title: Re: The Dividing Line Between Hope and Darkness for the Southern Tier
Post by: Rockdale on October 13, 2017, 01:45:20 PM
Wax, one of the best aspects of the discovery of the Marcellus/Utica shale resource was that it happened in a place where there was a widely dispersed ownership of the land.  The fact that the region is one of hills  always made it unattractive to the large scale land owners who wanted to farm on a grand scale.  And the wooded land, which is the majority of the region, also was often broken into small parcels after the timber companies made their cut since they were uninterested in holding on to land which would take decades to produce the next paying crop of timber.  All of which made it possible for a large number of people to ultimately realize a windfall which few had any idea existed.  Better times are ahead as natural gas demand grows both domestically and internationally, but for many land owners who need money right now it's a tough business to hang on, especially with ever increasing real estate taxes.