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Title: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: TShepstone on July 04, 2018, 05:57:48 AM
Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?

The Nord Stream 2 pipeline is one of Russia’s grandest hopes, something to make a weak Europe ever more dependent on itself. Why is it being ignored?

http://naturalgasnow.org/nord-stream-2-pipeline-not-getting-attention-deserves/
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: macal on July 05, 2018, 03:59:37 PM

  Good article. But futile I think to stop that pipeline.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: Wax on July 06, 2018, 10:58:17 AM
Crush the completion with sanctions, seen as the new free world. In the meantime, consumers will be the victims . Nobody noticed oil prices are the highest in many years ? Why ! does Iran have a fleet of battleships and aircraft carriers near Atlantic City ?   
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: macal on July 06, 2018, 11:53:53 AM

  When does the Naval battle begin ?
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: kenneth12 on July 06, 2018, 03:50:13 PM
Crush the completion with sanctions, seen as the new free world. In the meantime, consumers will be the victims . Nobody noticed oil prices are the highest in many years ? Why ! does Iran have a fleet of battleships and aircraft carriers near Atlantic City ?
Maybe all of those Iranian sailors have a offer of a free room and starter chips at any Trump casino???
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: aubrey on July 06, 2018, 07:10:28 PM
ya hear that g? time for you to go back into stealth mode, slip under the waves and get some target practice.

or....we could let 'em use joisey for target practice, since it ain't good for much else. maybe wax could get a job spotting 16 inch rounds from shore.

battleships and aircraft carriers... good lord. iran's biggest ship is barely a frigate.

wj

hey ron? where's the blue laughy guy? you takin' our toys away again?
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: ghrit on July 06, 2018, 11:31:54 PM
Hm.  Well, if real, those battleships and carriers have a really advanced stealth mode.  But I betcha we can find them in a detailed examination of Wax's cranial cavity, since they have to be a figment.  (All we know of are gunboats that can't navigate further from shore than they can see and a few tiny excuses for sorta large destroyers of some 2000 tons treaty displacement.  They do have, I think 3, Kilo class ex russian subs of no great capability.)  Atlantic City is under no concern of seaborne attack by Iran.  What a (dumbness).  That's OK Wax, we know you were kidding.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: Wax on July 07, 2018, 01:27:17 AM
Why would Trump drive oil prices up worldwide,(Iran) based on what you guys wrote? I know why, but certain things cannot be mentioned in the free world. So one must resort to outright Fake News. That"s how we live today, and more than likely for the past 70 years, give or take.
BTW , Russia is why Trump got elected, (promised better relations)  and ending useless wars. But Trump found out, everyone has a master, including him.
Trumps is censer about better relations with Russia, but the odds are against him for sure.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: Dr. Optimistic on July 07, 2018, 06:42:30 AM
The next war, when it occurs, will be fought with computers, network cable, routers and the internet.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: aubrey on July 07, 2018, 10:14:33 AM
gid, that war has been going on for 20+ years. every now and then we see small effects in our lives. one day I think, we will see some major impacts, but nothing life threatening for most. everyone can still live without the internet if they are prepared.

wj
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: aubrey on July 07, 2018, 10:21:38 AM
Why would Trump drive oil prices up worldwide,(Iran) based on what you guys wrote? I know why, but certain things cannot be mentioned in the free world. So one must resort to outright Fake News. That"s how we live today, and more than likely for the past 70 years, give or take.
BTW , Russia is why Trump got elected, (promised better relations)  and ending useless wars. But Trump found out, everyone has a master, including him.
Trumps is censer about better relations with Russia, but the odds are against him for sure.

nah.

trump got elected because Hillary sucks.

and no worries about the price of oil. frac'ers will keep the price down for us, just like nat gas.

wj
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: Wax on July 07, 2018, 10:42:07 AM
Why would Trump drive oil prices up worldwide,(Iran) based on what you guys wrote? I know why, but certain things cannot be mentioned in the free world. So one must resort to outright Fake News. That"s how we live today, and more than likely for the past 70 years, give or take.
BTW , Russia is why Trump got elected, (promised better relations)  and ending useless wars. But Trump found out, everyone has a master, including him.
Trumps is censer about better relations with Russia, but the odds are against him for sure.

nah.

trump got elected because Hillary sucks.

and no worries about the price of oil. frac'ers will keep the price down for us, just like nat gas.

wj
BTW  Hillary Won the popular Vote !
Gasoline and Diesel are over $3.00 and heading much higher. Its only just begun.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: kenneth12 on July 07, 2018, 01:48:33 PM

BTW  Hillary Won the popular Vote !
Gasoline and Diesel are over $3.00 and heading much higher. Its only just begun.
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Maybe Hillary's loss is a perfect example of why our Founding Fathers did NOT trust the popular vote and instituted the Electoral College?  Of course, you and your ilk are far wiser than those old dead antique retarded guys...
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: Dr. Optimistic on July 07, 2018, 02:22:04 PM
Couldn't disagree with you more WJ.
I guess time will tell us.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: aubrey on July 07, 2018, 04:33:59 PM
Laughing my butt off here wax.

Sure Hillary won the popular vote. With millions of illrgals voting she couldn't lose that. Fact is though, winning the popular vote, and 25 bucks will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks, and nothing else.

She's still just a loser who can't get over it. Sad, but then that the way liberals are. Bitter sore losers.

Wj
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: macal on July 07, 2018, 06:24:09 PM

  Just the opposite. We can take a loss and we don't throw our losers overboard like you boys do. Mitt and McCain for example. W was a loser but got 8 years.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: riverrat on July 07, 2018, 06:54:53 PM
I think you should stand behind your convictions & run hildabeast  for a third try    the great Clinton machine  got out foxed by the Republican  party  & there about to change your so called wave into a dried creak bed    & wolfie will be the first   
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: ghrit on July 07, 2018, 07:38:28 PM
BTW  Hillary Won the popular Vote !

That is NOT the vote that counts.  That horse is LONG dead.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: ghrit on July 07, 2018, 07:41:30 PM

BTW  Hillary Won the popular Vote !
Gasoline and Diesel are over $3.00 and heading much higher. Its only just begun.

Maybe Hillary's loss is a perfect example of why our Founding Fathers did NOT trust the popular vote and instituted the Electoral College?  Of course, you and your ilk are far wiser than those old dead antique retarded guys...
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Nailed it on both counts.  The howling would be equally loud if the shoe were on the other foot.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: macal on July 08, 2018, 10:15:47 AM
I think you should stand behind your convictions & run hildabeast  for a third try    the great Clinton machine  got out foxed by the Republican  party  & there about to change your so called wave into a dried creak bed    & wolfie will be the first   

  That be okay Rat. More tax cuts.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: riverrat on July 08, 2018, 11:38:47 AM
your saying we can count on your vote
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: macal on July 08, 2018, 01:39:38 PM

     Hell no. Never voted for one. Why start now.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: kenneth12 on July 08, 2018, 04:25:42 PM
     Hell no. Never voted for one. Why start now.
Welllll... there's always the (vain?) hope that someday you may actually grow up??
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: macal on July 08, 2018, 04:42:42 PM

  To be like you guys. Im just not that bitter. I just want everyone to pay their bills.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: kenneth12 on July 08, 2018, 04:56:16 PM
  To be like you guys. Im just not that bitter. I just want everyone to pay their bills.
Or, to be more accurate, "...everyone to pay whatever you bill them..." .
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: macal on July 08, 2018, 05:14:39 PM

 

  By everyone I mean mostly the governments. Especially the big one.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: ghrit on July 08, 2018, 06:56:40 PM

 

  By everyone I mean mostly the governments. Especially the big one.
So you want dot gov to pay bills?  Its own and yours I suppose?  Wonder where it's going to get its money?

I sense a bust in logic here.  Expected, and no surprise who originated it.  Ol' foxie probably has you on direct dial for advice.  (Even if you are a non resident.)
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: macal on July 08, 2018, 07:56:22 PM
  Then we have the supercilous and arrogant part of it. Throw in a little hypocrisy in there. You got yourself one hell of a GOP candidate. Tax cuts will make everything all better.
 
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: Wax on July 09, 2018, 01:09:05 AM
  Then we have the supercilous and arrogant part of it. Throw in a little hypocrisy in there. You got yourself one hell of a GOP candidate. Tax cuts will make everything all better.
 
Cal, Let me know if you get a tax cut, because I sure as hell will not.  And I will bet the last 10K in deductions will be eliminated in fewer than 10 year. And  all but the most expensive, home prices will fall.

You guys forgot to comment on fuel prices skyrocketing, and everything else will follow with Trumps taxes for all. BO never raised taxes, and I doubt Hillary would have. Trump is a good con artist. Not to worry zero inflation will continue as it has. I bought a washer at Homedepot  less than two years ago for $360.00 for my daughter. I bought another, exact same model two weeks ago $580.00 .  No inflation can be found, and my SS check went up , one time in three years. So now the government proved me wrong again. ;D
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: macal on July 09, 2018, 07:27:33 AM

   Wasn't the President supposed to disclose his tax returns at some point.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: kenneth12 on July 09, 2018, 07:44:50 AM
  Then we have the supercilous and arrogant part of it. Throw in a little hypocrisy in there. You got yourself one hell of a GOP candidate. Tax cuts will make everything all better.
So, Matty - are you telling us that you're offering us yourself as our next "one hell of a GOP candidate"?  And that you're promising to cut taxes to boot?
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: ghrit on July 09, 2018, 07:53:47 AM

   Wasn't the President supposed to disclose his tax returns at some point.
Whiney pee pants wanted to see them for some obscure reason.  There's nothing in law that requires a candidate for any office to produce tax returns.  Beyond stupid supposition.
My taxes. like yours Wax, will go up to pay for the spending that foxie and zero managed.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: macal on July 09, 2018, 07:59:43 AM

  I believe the man himself stated that his taxes would be disclosed at some point. But he said a lot of things. My guess is that he will be getting a nice cut on his taxes.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: aubrey on July 09, 2018, 11:15:36 AM

   Wasn't the President supposed to disclose his tax returns at some point.
Whiney pee pants wanted to see them for some obscure reason.  There's nothing in law that requires a candidate for any office to produce tax returns.  Beyond stupid supposition.
My taxes. like yours Wax, will go up to pay for the spending that foxie and zero managed.

I haven't met a single person who's tax bill hasn't gone down.

I think trump will show his tax returns when Obama shows his passport and college transcripts, proving that he wasn't a citizen of our country.

wj
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: aubrey on July 09, 2018, 11:17:09 AM
oh...forgot!

Pocahontas has to take the dna test too!

bwahahaha!

wj
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: macal on July 09, 2018, 01:25:20 PM

  Dna plus birth certificate for trumps tax returns. I like it.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: ghrit on July 09, 2018, 02:25:01 PM

  Dna plus birth certificate for trumps tax returns. I like it.
Dead horses can't run.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: Wax on July 09, 2018, 04:45:42 PM

   Wasn't the President supposed to disclose his tax returns at some point.
Whiney pee pants wanted to see them for some obscure reason.  There's nothing in law that requires a candidate for any office to produce tax returns.  Beyond stupid supposition.
My taxes. like yours Wax, will go up to pay for the spending that foxie and zero managed.

I haven't met a single person who's tax bill hasn't gone down.

I think trump will show his tax returns when Obama shows his passport and college transcripts, proving that he wasn't a citizen of our country.

wj
I haven't met a single person who's tax bill hasn't gone down

Do you know anyone that filed their 2018 return ? Surprise. Maybe not you, but the max deduction for state income tax, sales tax, and property tax is 10K., from unlimited. So Trump made taxes into income, instead of a deduction as it has been forever. A lot of Pa property taxes alone are double that. A 400K home near Allentown is like 12K to 20K property tax alone.The Republicans still need to eliminate to mortgage interest deduction, so you have a SIMPLE TAX FORM.  :( 
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: ghrit on July 09, 2018, 05:05:35 PM
"So Trump made taxes into income, instead of a deduction as it has been forever."
WHAT THE SAM HILL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?  That is some seriously rubbishy statement.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: aubrey on July 09, 2018, 08:03:24 PM
most of the people that I know don't itemize.

the rest have property tax bills well under $10k. what's left of my family down in bucks county pay between 5-6 thousand a year. taxes on a new moderate size home up here are less than $5k

as far as I'm concerned, it was a stroke of genius on trumps part limiting the deduction for property taxes. high tax liberal state property owners will now be paying their fair share. if they don't like it, they can vote with their feet and move to lower tax states.

wj
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: macal on July 09, 2018, 10:55:21 PM

  More folks from Jersey and New York going to PA.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: Wax on July 11, 2018, 01:54:10 AM
"So Trump made taxes into income, instead of a deduction as it hase  been forever."
WHAT THE SAM HILL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?  That is some seriously rubbishy statement.
Its like this.  Property taxes , state income tax, and sales tax, and income tax, are all taxes. Trump put a cap of 10K on the first three. So if your total deduction for the three was 25K it will now max at 10K. As most adults know, these taxes will continue to rise every year. So your true net income will fall.. That will force down the price of homes. In essence it will damage the older population as did the 1% cd rate. The last item of value will fall, and that will be a big problem. Most homeowners will find themselves, underwater. Mortgage  and taxes will rise and value , will be less than you owe. After the last housing price collapse, many are in this position already. And basically, when taxes go up you recovered nothing. But the money you paid in taxes was tax free. Now you will pay taxes on your taxes. Sounds like wj would go for the Severance Tax, that;s far better than this.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: ghrit on July 11, 2018, 08:10:31 AM
I still don't see the light at the end of your tunnel, wax.  That explanation is as clear as the water in a Dimock jug.
Title: Re: Why Is the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Not Getting the Attention It Deserves?
Post by: aubrey on July 11, 2018, 09:57:17 AM
wj is against most taxes, but especially new ones which open the door for theft by cities which will use the money to buy votes.

wj is also glad that he will no longer be subsidizing your lifestyle by paying your property taxes for you. pay your fair share, I certainly pay mine.

wj