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Title: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 17, 2018, 08:08:39 AM

  Natural gas pricing has been way up lately. But the producers are getting punished by the stock market. Just the traders like WJ making some money on the swings?
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 17, 2018, 08:20:55 AM
Hey matty -
What do you use to correlate the price of gas to the price of gasco stock?
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 17, 2018, 09:21:23 AM

  That would help determine profit and loss. Isn't that what its all about.
  I think CHK and SWN are just day trading vehicles. I have read that opinion and pretty much agree. But I know nothing about investing. Way over my head.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 17, 2018, 10:03:04 AM

  That would help determine profit and loss. Isn't that what its all about.
  I think CHK and SWN are just day trading vehicles. I have read that opinion and pretty much agree. But I know nothing about investing. Way over my head.
There's no correlation, they are largely independent taken in the short haul.  In truth even in the long haul the two numbers are not well correlated.  The market doesn't give a rat's patoot what the gas price is at the well head.  So far as over your head goes, we have that figured out ----  ;D
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 17, 2018, 10:16:59 AM

  I'd rather be lucky than smart and bitter like you. I am. Got some Cabot boomers paying very nicely.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 17, 2018, 12:36:36 PM

  I'd rather be lucky than smart and bitter like you. I am. Got some Cabot boomers paying very nicely.
What on earth do I have to be bitter about?  (Another gratuitous leap to a mistaken conclusion based on less evidence than can be placed on the head of a pin, methinks.)

Further, what do Cabot "boomers" have to do with share prices?  (That will keep you busy researching a connection.  Oh.  Forgot, you like others to do it for you.)
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 17, 2018, 01:05:13 PM

  Calm down. You might want to avoid my posts. They seem to upset you.

  Anyway all signs point to Cabot realizing a billion dollars of profit next years. Along with a pretty good 2018. Stock should be up in my opinion.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 17, 2018, 01:15:30 PM

  Calm down. You might want to avoid my posts. They seem to upset you.

  Anyway all signs point to Cabot realizing a billion dollars of profit next years. Along with a pretty good 2018. Stock should be up in my opinion.
I'm calm enough.  Nonsense posts attract my attention.  Nobody but you is as prolific with incorrect, misleading and incoherent posts and info.  Simply trying to train you to think before posting rubbish.

Then you go so far as to (as in this case) take this (your own) thread off topic.

Weird :-X
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: kenneth12 on December 17, 2018, 04:25:13 PM
I'm calm enough.  Nonsense posts attract my attention.  Nobody but you is as prolific with incorrect, misleading and incoherent posts and info.  Simply trying to train you to think before posting rubbish.

Then you go so far as to (as in this case) take this (your own) thread off topic.

Weird :-X
Gosh and golly gee whiz there, ghrit.  You must have more patience than an old kitty kat playing with a wee little mousie...  And maybe more fun as well...  ;)
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on December 17, 2018, 05:57:06 PM
the problems with ma    cal's post are there is a chance new people reading them don't know that he don't know     & some on this site have to make sure that people looking for information get the facts
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 17, 2018, 06:06:44 PM

  Rat, sorry about your fav, Chesapeake,
  is going to be a penny stock pretty soon. I might buy. a little when it gets there.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on December 17, 2018, 08:33:55 PM
could care less what there stock's worth as long as they or others keep pumping & I get those great DEDUCT FREE royalties Grandkids will think I'm great when collage or house buying time comes around looks like they pay better than Cabot   
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 17, 2018, 09:04:03 PM

  Yea. Thats great. How about your neighbors over getting their 1.5% royalty from Chesapeake.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 17, 2018, 11:29:37 PM

  Yea. Thats great. How about your neighbors over getting their 1.5% royalty from Chesapeake.
Now THERE is an uncalculable number.  Totally unrelated to the OPs thread.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 18, 2018, 06:32:47 AM

  I wasn't sure how to respond to paying for COLLAGE and houses for the grandkids.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on December 18, 2018, 08:40:50 AM
one last off topic   he's getting much more then 1.5%  another mommy cal no clue statement but don't have a no deduct because he signed years ago for $40 an acre & keep renewing   but he has enough acre's  that he can send quite a few kids to college & buy them homes   he's content with what he get's   
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 18, 2018, 09:08:12 AM

 COLLAGE
Since we are still way off topic, you might get a copy of Webster's on the corner of your desk, matty.  Uv cuss, if those college courses include artsy-fartsy collage creations, well that's fine.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 18, 2018, 09:38:21 AM

  I have a friend in Rats neighborhood with a large parcel in a Chesapeake unit.
  He has done the math and calculated
 1.5% royalty when he averaged it out over the years online. Now because Chesapeake has partners that are taking more realistic deductions with good wells and his large parcels, he could definitely pay for collage and houses for his grandkids. Thats not the point.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on December 18, 2018, 12:08:47 PM
your buddy is the only one our is bad at math  nobody & I mean nobody is getting 1.5%    average   he may have hit that low when prices were low & fixed cost made for low royalties    & I find it hard to believe you have any buddies in this area
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 18, 2018, 02:59:51 PM
  I grew up in Towanda. Everyone knew Everyone. When prices were low many of us never got checks for months at a time. Also Chesapeake went retroactive on postproduction charges and many didn't see checks for more than a year.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 18, 2018, 04:23:37 PM
the folks who I feel sorry for, are the ones in those 9 square miles that got shut down by dep because cabot created an environmental disaster. I know a few who could have held on to their places if cabot had done the right thing.

looking forward, I see some serious issues for landowners hosting cabot pads with hazardous waste buried by cabot and their subcontractors. I'm less concerned by money, than I am by issues like those.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 18, 2018, 04:43:44 PM

  Thanks for your input Vera. ::)
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on December 18, 2018, 06:31:59 PM
  I grew up in Towanda. Everyone knew Everyone. When prices were low many of us never got checks for months at a time. Also Chesapeake went retroactive on postproduction charges and many didn't see checks for more than a year.
        FAKE NEWS
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 18, 2018, 07:10:27 PM
  Its true. If people aren't making money on royalties from Chesapeake neither is Chesapeake. They are paying the same postproduction costs plus they have to pay all the production costs. Then on top of that they have to absorb all the postproduction costs on the no deducts.
 They have lost billions in NE PA and I believe they are still bleeding money there. The Markets are on to this.
  Around $ 2.00 per share.

  Hey I got back on topic.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 18, 2018, 08:41:38 PM
bwahahaha!

IT'S TRUE, IT'S TRUE! he says.

no, really rat, none of us are getting any royalties, and...and chk is losing so much money that they'll soon be outta business!

I see you grinning g! yeah, you can't make this stuff up, only a troll can provide this much entertainment.

the award for most ridiculous comment of the year goes to!.....macal, for claiming that he has a friend.  ::)

wj

Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 18, 2018, 08:56:06 PM

  $2,00 a share. 10 billion in debt. Not good.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on December 18, 2018, 09:13:15 PM
I'm done yanking the chain for tonight time to settle in with a couple lagers & maybe couple soft pretzels   
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 18, 2018, 10:01:54 PM


I see you grinning g! yeah, you can't make this stuff up, only a troll can provide this much entertainment.

the award for most ridiculous comment of the year goes to!.....macal, for claiming that he has a friend.  ::)

wj
{chortle}
I guess we should thank Ron for allowing him to remain a member.  On "my" site, we ban trolls and close approximations.

At this point, returning to the OP subject seems silly.  More fun (and more accuracy) drifting and pinging.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 19, 2018, 12:55:33 AM
I almost joined your site, but I decided to give you a break.

it was interesting reading through some of the solar stuff.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 19, 2018, 09:23:00 AM
I almost joined your site, but I decided to give you a break.

it was interesting reading through some of the solar stuff.

wj
Well, you would be a welcome member until one of the staffies picked up that you know me.  Uv cuss, members come and go, but at any given time over the last 10 or so years, there's been 100 or so actives.  We even have a couple pet trolls that we keep around for amusement.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: Wax on December 19, 2018, 03:10:46 PM
"Stock Market" is the subject  ???
It's taking another tanking today.
During the Trump campaign, he remarked, Stocks is not where you can count on making money.
That is a truthful statement, so far this year.  (For most buy and hold folks)
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 19, 2018, 05:57:08 PM

  Donald never was a fan of stock market. Real estate. Me too.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: JEB on December 19, 2018, 06:18:53 PM
"Stock Market" is the subject  ???
It's taking another tanking today.
During the Trump campaign, he remarked, Stocks is not where you can count on making money.
That is a truthful statement, so far this year.  (For most buy and hold folks)
The S&P 500 closing below 2532 should mean the start of a multi-month correction that could lead to a 50% correction from 2009 low to 2018 high.
Only time will tell. That target price is 1803.


Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 19, 2018, 08:43:45 PM

  Here we go again. Freaking Roller Coaster Ride. I don't have much in but my wife has all her retirement in. 401k
 Good chunk of money.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 20, 2018, 01:07:00 PM

  Rough ride.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: Wax on December 20, 2018, 02:02:46 PM

  Here we go again. Freaking Roller Coaster Ride. I don't have much in but my wife has all her retirement in. 401k
 Good chunk of money.
That is why Republicans & companies hate unions. Unions offered a Defined Pension Fund. It paid a fixed amount of money despite the stock markets movement.
People wanting to retire on a IRA need to be "fortune tellers" or they may forgo there retirement.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 20, 2018, 02:52:26 PM
Unions offered a Defined Pension Fund. It paid a fixed amount of money despite the stock markets movement.

I wonder it that doesn't have something to do with why school systems are in big financial trouble.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 20, 2018, 04:56:16 PM

  I don't mind a 401 k retirement plan. The advantage is you may be able to have some left over for the kids. Its the dam stock market. Its scarey and its hard on these pension funds also.
 
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on December 20, 2018, 07:43:21 PM

  Here we go again. Freaking Roller Coaster Ride. I don't have much in but my wife has all her retirement in. 401k
 Good chunk of money.

That is why Republicans & companies hate unions. Unions offered a Defined Pension Fund. It paid a fixed amount of money despite the stock markets movement.          only government pension are guaranteed  just raise taxes if they run out of money  if private sector unions lose money in the markets & don't have the funds   no pension     union or not   
People wanting to retire on a IRA need to be "fortune tellers" or they may forgo there retirement.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on December 20, 2018, 07:48:46 PM

  I don't mind a 401 k retirement plan. The advantage is you may be able to have some left over for the kids. Its the dam stock market. Its scarey and its hard on these pension funds also.
 
       better yet is to have both  pension & annuity .  annuity helps back up pension is case it goes south   if not the annuity is there to leave to your children       
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 21, 2018, 11:13:10 AM

  I don't mind a 401 k retirement plan. The advantage is you may be able to have some left over for the kids. Its the dam stock market. Its scarey and its hard on these pension funds also.
 
       better yet is to have both  pension & annuity .  annuity helps back up pension is case it goes south   if not the annuity is there to leave to your children     
Both pensions and annuities have to have a source of funding.  Who pays into them?  But I agree that both would be desirable.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on December 21, 2018, 12:31:40 PM
I'm sure you know pension are supported by a group & are limited to what they can invest in  that supports many & if the amount invested doesn't cover cost they go negative   aka school  & government pension    mostly but also includes private pension plans   which is permitted by our genius's in Washington   the annuity is your money & you can invest     low risk low return or high risk high return   & I believe guaranteed  returned
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 21, 2018, 01:27:11 PM
of course the roller coaster ride in the markets is what i love to play. that game though is about to end, if only for a while.

the bond yield curve tells us that investors are bearish on the economy out as far as 5 years currently, which does not bode well for 2019 & 20. if the yield curve inverts completely, small investors had better run for the hills. when this economy contracts, it's gonna get ugly. with $22T in debt and growing, and the likelihood of a democrat taking over in 2020 bringing higher taxes and spending for things we don't need, investors are gonna flee u.s. equities in favor of safer havens.

if the markets tank, pulling capital out of the economy, tax revenues will sink, putting pressure on the dollar. interest rates will again fall, and the fed will be forced to begin qe4, putting further pressure on the dollar. it then becomes a matter of how much confidence is lost in the dollar, and how quickly, which will determine our fate.

we're bankrupt now folks, we are only living on the credit that the rest of the world extends to us. when the unfunded liabilities are counted along with our cash debts, there aren't enough assets in America to pay the tab.

enjoy your Christmas, it may be a while before you can afford to celebrate again.

I could be wrong of course, and another savior like Obama may come along and deliver us a rip roaring economy in spite of the numbers. but then we'll be $30-40T in debt. imagine the pain that that would bring. oh my.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on December 21, 2018, 01:58:39 PM
Didn't Obama take credit for this economy      After he made that statement everything started going south   If it's his economy I guess we have to  get back to sub 2% growth  the new normal   
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 21, 2018, 03:05:55 PM
Didn't Obama take credit for this economy     
Of course he did, or at least tried.

Back, then to pensions.  They are USUALLY (somehow) funded by the workers, either by reduced wages than they would otherwise take home or by wage deductions paid in as union dues.  (What the union does with the money toward earning against inflation, well, ask the unions, I don't know.  Investments in the stock market is one possibility.)

Annuities can be funded in any number of ways.  They are also managed by (yup) fund managers, some of which are charged with growing the annuity fund such that it stays around..  USUALLY they pay out periodically as defined in the establishing documents.  Who pays into them, well, I dunno, but you can almost bet the farm that he who gets the cream feeds the cow.  Exception example, is a rich kid that doesn't need or want to work and is too inept to trust with the whole ball of wax, so daddy ties hesheit's hands by establishing a trust with an annuity.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm being something of a wise ass on purpose.  The fact remains, TANSTAFFL,  Someone pays, someone MUST budget such that going underwater cannot happen.  Dot gov doesn't care how you waste your money, nor is there any evidence that it cares how it wastes your money either.  I fear that depending on dot gov to take care of you is a fool's dependency, and doomed to see whoever living in a gutted van down by the river.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 21, 2018, 05:36:27 PM

  Why don't your boys just cut taxes again. Thats all they do. Its just not working. 22 billion in debt.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on December 21, 2018, 09:16:49 PM
I know & all that debt came in the last 2 years along with low unemployment 3% GDP  & for the first time a rise in hourly wage   
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 21, 2018, 09:38:45 PM

  Just keep cutting those taxes. Everything goin be alright.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on December 21, 2018, 09:57:23 PM
I agree with you 100%   it's working great for me
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 21, 2018, 10:13:40 PM
the tax cuts were the first break we've had in a long time, only people living off the government teat think they're a bad idea.

that extra money we get to keep can be used to see us through the rough patch that's coming, so don't spend it before ya need it.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 21, 2018, 10:41:25 PM

  So its perfect for you end of the worlders. Just keep cutting taxes. One more time.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on December 21, 2018, 10:47:15 PM
going to need it to pay for increases by the trust fund baby wolf   taxes will rise  electric rates will skyrocket as he supports 3 mile island & forces power companies  to by green   & he puts a stop to nat. gas as per his financer Steyer   
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 21, 2018, 11:16:44 PM

  Wat?
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 22, 2018, 08:39:58 AM

  So its perfect for you end of the worlders. Just keep cutting taxes. One more time.
Relax.  woofie will get it back with the severance tax he wants, just because other states have it.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 22, 2018, 09:19:46 AM
Didn't Obama take credit for this economy      After he made that statement everything started going south   If it's his economy I guess we have to  get back to sub 2% growth  the new normal

pretty funny huh? he spends $10T and accomplishes nothing, trump gets rid of a few regulations and he takes credit for the boom.

best part of all, he tells us that we didn't build anything, the government did that.

and his loyal followers kneel at his feet and worship.

wj

Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: JEB on December 22, 2018, 10:40:44 AM
the tax cuts were the first break we've had in a long time, only people living off the government teat think they're a bad idea.

that extra money we get to keep can be used to see us through the rough patch that's coming, so don't spend it before ya need it.

wj
You got that right. I think that the stock market is now in a bear trend correction the will last until at least June and maybe even into early 2020.
A 50% correction from the 2009 low to the 2018 high in the DOW would take it back down to 16543. Only time will tell,

I got stopped out on my long OIL trade and reversed back short.


Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 22, 2018, 11:13:12 AM
taxes will rise  electric rates will skyrocket as he supports 3 mile island & forces power companies  to by green   
Ye average joe will see his taxes rise as wolfie subsidizes the tax bills instead of seeing the increase directly on his bill.  Just hiding the costs in the tax base.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 22, 2018, 11:55:41 AM

  Don't worry about it. It will be the kids problem.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 22, 2018, 02:02:59 PM
taxes will rise  electric rates will skyrocket as he supports 3 mile island & forces power companies  to by green   
Ye average joe will see his taxes rise as wolfie subsidizes the tax bills instead of seeing the increase directly on his bill.  Just hiding the costs in the tax base.

got more panels to put up, and need a few more batteries, but this has been a bad solar year for the northeast. most days I'm lucky to take in a coupla kwh.

I might concentrate on the wind generator for now and wait for sunnier days to finish the array.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 22, 2018, 02:09:56 PM
I got stopped out on my long OIL trade and reversed back short.

right now I'm betting on a low $42/bbl.

I thought it was interesting that Russian and the Saudis production cuts had no effect on pricing. tells me we're going a lot lower, and that the recession will be deeper than current thinking.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: JEB on December 22, 2018, 02:57:38 PM
I got stopped out on my long OIL trade and reversed back short.

right now I'm betting on a low $42/bbl.

I thought it was interesting that Russian and the Saudis production cuts had no effect on pricing. tells me we're going a lot lower, and that the recession will be deeper than current thinking.

wj
That sounds reasonable. The next price target after $45.00 is $36.93. But I always let price stops take me out of the trade or put me in. I never try to guess where the market is going.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 22, 2018, 04:34:33 PM
sometimes though jeb, it is pretty obvious where the market is headed.

and sure, there are always factors that affect future market direction, but based on what we can see right now, there ain't gonna be no joy in mudville for the foreseeable future.

approaching the midterms, when it was obvious that the dems would get at least the house, investors started pulling out of equities. now that obstruction is about to go full swing, they are running for the hills. I think that we're looking at 2 years of declines in the markets and economy, as dems find new and innovative ways to bash trump and his supporters, followed by him being replaced in 2020 to complete the collapse.

every time we get a good thing going, they have to destroy it.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on December 22, 2018, 07:16:31 PM
don't go doom & gloom yet   almost time to dip your toes     bottom coming soon 
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 22, 2018, 07:57:46 PM
the bottom may be near for energy stocks, but I'm not betting on a rapid rebound. the rest of the stock market has a long way to go down, and that will suppress significant rises in the energy sector.

as for the economy though, the pain hasn't begun yet. Washington gridlock will likely translate into stagflation and a protracted recession. there is no courage in Washington to do the right thing, and let the markets sort themselves out.

democrats will insist on higher taxes, and higher spending. trump will continue to fight for the working guys, and nothing will get done. that's not a formula for growth or sustainability.

and then there's the debt. no one wants to consider the drag that it puts on growth, and no one has a plan to pay it down. it's the elephant in the room, and everyone is ignoring it as if it will just go away. it won't, and the day of reckoning is awaiting us.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 23, 2018, 12:00:59 AM

  The good ol Republican plan. Cut taxes
   ??? ???
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: kenneth12 on December 23, 2018, 08:00:19 AM
  The good ol Republican plan. Cut taxes
   ??? ???
The good ol Democratic plan.  Raise taxes, increase spending, make everyone dependent upon government largess - keep voting for us so that y'all can continue to feel comfortable being ensconced within our arms sucking on our teats which drip with the richly supplied fruits seized from those who work to produce.  No troubling thought processes required, just vote for us.  Eat, drink, be merry.  Slander and libel all who would dare to disagree with The Utopian Vision, and destroy the lives of any of those who might actually have some power to seriously endanger this illusory vision. 

At least the Republicans differ on the first part, and some of them actually differ on the other parts as well.  In any case, wj is, unfortunately,  probably very close to the mark for the near future - if the Far Left prevails with the aquience of our emasculated society.  Matty, feel free to snidely call it "doom and gloom" if you think maybe that will help anything - that is IF you really want to help anything other than your own ego.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: JEB on December 23, 2018, 08:56:19 AM
sometimes though jeb, it is pretty obvious where the market is headed.

and sure, there are always factors that affect future market direction, but based on what we can see right now, there ain't gonna be no joy in mudville for the foreseeable future.

approaching the midterms, when it was obvious that the dems would get at least the house, investors started pulling out of equities. now that obstruction is about to go full swing, they are running for the hills. I think that we're looking at 2 years of declines in the markets and economy, as dems find new and innovative ways to bash trump and his supporters, followed by him being replaced in 2020 to complete the collapse.

every time we get a good thing going, they have to destroy it.

wj
But we can take advantage of the stock market downturn and buy the bear market stock symbols SDS or the SH.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 23, 2018, 12:05:41 PM
  The good ol Republican plan. Cut taxes
   ??? ???
The good ol Democratic plan.  Raise taxes, increase spending, make everyone dependent upon government largess - keep voting for us so that y'all can continue to feel comfortable being ensconced within our arms sucking on our teats which drip with the richly supplied fruits seized from those who work to produce.  No troubling thought processes required, just vote for us.  Eat, drink, be merry.  Slander and libel all who would dare to disagree with The Utopian Vision, and destroy the lives of any of those who might actually have some power to seriously endanger this illusory vision. 

At least the Republicans differ on the first part, and some of them actually differ on the other parts as well.  In any case, wj is, unfortunately,  probably very close to the mark for the near future - if the Far Left prevails with the aquience of our emasculated society.  Matty, feel free to snidely call it "doom and gloom" if you think maybe that will help anything - that is IF you really want to help anything other than your own ego.

  You know Ken, I'm not a big ego guy.
  I do like to win. Don't like to lose.
  But I do like a fair fight when it comes to elections. As far as governing and policy I consider myself a moderate Democrat. The debt is my biggest concern. Cutting taxes doesn't seem to putting a dent in that. Thats where I put most of the blame. You seem to think its because of all the folks on welfare or getting assistance. Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich made a deal in the late nineties that made some headway and had the budget heading in the right direction.
  Then came George.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: kenneth12 on December 23, 2018, 03:44:30 PM
  You know Ken, I'm not a big ego guy.
  I do like to win. Don't like to lose.
  But I do like a fair fight when it comes to elections. As far as governing and policy I consider myself a moderate Democrat. The debt is my biggest concern. Cutting taxes doesn't seem to putting a dent in that. Thats where I put most of the blame. You seem to think its because of all the folks on welfare or getting assistance. Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich made a deal in the late nineties that made some headway and had the budget heading in the right direction.
  Then came George.
Not so at all macal.  Nor have I ever said anything to that effect. 
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 23, 2018, 04:19:02 PM
it's interesting to me though, that we always hear about how social security is running out of money, which it is, even though it is funded by the recipients.

but I don't ever recall hearing that welfare is running out of money, even though there is no money to fund it, except for taxpayer dollars. the same taxpayers who are required to fund their own government run retirement system which the government has mismanaged to the point of looming insolvency.

at a point in the not too distant future, regardless of tax cuts or increases, government spending will have to be cut, because the debt has become unsustainable. we are currently borrowing the money to pay the interest on the debt.

and it's hypocritical in the extreme to place the blame on anyone other than Obama, since he doubled the debt for no visible gain, which is why we're in the mess we're in.

it really is laughable to hear ideologues complain about everyone but their savior, who is truly the responsible party.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 23, 2018, 04:54:20 PM

  George and his buddy Dick. Got a couple of wars going anf cut taxes significantly. Then blew up the whole capitalist financial system. But it was Obamas fault.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: duffy on December 23, 2018, 05:56:32 PM
Just another adjustment so the big guys with tons of money can jump in at the bottom and sell off when it hits the top, connon working man foots the bill and gets out of bed and goes to work on Monday morning. SHEEPLE
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 23, 2018, 07:24:16 PM
you don't have to have tons of money to play the same game, but if you dare to play, you might end up with tons of money yourself.

we all get to choose our paths in life.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: duffy on December 23, 2018, 07:34:36 PM
Happens time and time again, history repeats its self, play in traffic like a frog... sometimes you get squashed sometimes you make it across the road. unless you live on the road less traveled you never know. Before the gasicane nobody was an expert on this stuff just like politics, we just muddled through life as best we could.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 23, 2018, 11:16:52 PM
well...my road is a bit less travelled than yours I guess.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 24, 2018, 09:14:02 AM
Just another adjustment so the big guys with tons of money can jump in at the bottom and sell off when it hits the top, connon working man foots the bill and gets out of bed and goes to work on Monday morning. SHEEPLE

  You're right Duff. The sheep are getting sheared.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: Wax on December 24, 2018, 11:59:52 AM
it's interesting to me though, that we always hear about how social security is running out of money, which it is, even though it is funded by the recipients.

but I don't ever recall hearing that welfare is running out of money, even though there is no money to fund it, except for taxpayer dollars. the same taxpayers who are required to fund their own government run retirement system which the government has mismanaged to the point of looming insolvency.

at a point in the not too distant future, regardless of tax cuts or increases, government spending will have to be cut, because the debt has become unsustainable. we are currently borrowing the money to pay the interest on the debt.

and it's hypocritical in the extreme to place the blame on anyone other than Obama, since he doubled the debt for no visible gain, which is why we're in the mess we're in.

it really is laughable to hear ideologues complain about everyone but their savior, who is truly the responsible party.

wj
Trump & Bush fixed it . More tax cuts for the Super Rich. "I know I am just jealous."  Insane is what it is. The real people who need a tax cut are taxed. People with a savings account and a few dollars in interest or dividend pay full tax on it. Why not put in the tax code, you can earn, 1K or maybe 10K without paying taxes on it ? Instead a billionaire puts his money in tax free bonds, because they will never need that money in a million years. Laws are written by the rich, to favor the rich and will never change. 
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 24, 2018, 01:07:56 PM

 Thank someone only a short day of trading today. - 650
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: Wax on December 24, 2018, 03:01:33 PM
I know this for sure.
A lot of folks that planned on retiring, will still be working. :'(
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on December 24, 2018, 04:27:54 PM
if you planed to retire shortly & needed all your funds now you shouldn't be in the stock market   
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 24, 2018, 04:51:11 PM
Why not put in the tax code, you can earn, 1K or maybe 10K without paying taxes on it ? Instead a billionaire puts his money in tax free bonds, because they will never need that money in a million years. Laws are written by the rich, to favor the rich and will never change.

so...you've never hears of the standard deduction? the personal exemption?

for 2018, a single filer doesn't pay income taxes until somewhere north of $16,000.

and as far as tax free bonds, we can all use that strategy, but it can be risky. years back, I held a few, as well as treasuries, which are not subject to state and local taxes. today, I wouldn't touch them, because of the risk of insolvency by municipalities with shaky finances. treasuries just don't pay enough to invest, but they will again, soon.

regardless of all your whining, the rich still pay most of the income taxes in the u.s.. you're pretty much getting a free ride because of their generosity.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 24, 2018, 04:57:22 PM

so...you've never hears of the standard deduction? the personal exemption?
wj
Of course he hasn't.  His union accountant does them for him.  One more benefit funded by dues.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 24, 2018, 06:57:31 PM
and his dues are funded by the taxpayer.

all these people living off the sweat and toil of the working man, and they begrudge us a little tax cut.

what a bunch of ingrates.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: realman on December 24, 2018, 09:40:35 PM
Henney Yungman said he put all his money in tax's because it was the only thing he could find that was guaranteed to go up.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: Wax on December 24, 2018, 11:59:17 PM
Why not put in the tax code, you can earn, 1K or maybe 10K without paying taxes on it ? Instead a billionaire puts his money in tax free bonds, because they will never need that money in a million years. Laws are written by the rich, to favor the rich and will never change.

so...you've never hears of the standard deduction? the personal exemption?

for 2018, a single filer doesn't pay income taxes until somewhere north of $16,000.

and as far as tax free bonds, we can all use that strategy, but it can be risky. years back, I held a few, as well as treasuries, which are not subject to state and local taxes. today, I wouldn't touch them, because of the risk of insolvency by municipalities with shaky finances. treasuries just don't pay enough to invest, but they will again, soon.

regardless of all your whining, the rich still pay most of the income taxes in the u.s.. you're pretty much getting a free ride because of their generosity.

wj
What is the standard deduction in Pa.  I wonder why it is like that ? People like you, that's why. If you make $300.00 your wealthy enough to tax. And if you make three billion, the rate is the same three percent. We are all equal except Union Workers, who steal from everybody and don"t vote for Republicans. Merry Christmas, Santa is coming now.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 25, 2018, 08:04:08 AM

  Merry Christmas Wax. And thanks for all the laughs.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: JEB on December 25, 2018, 08:06:38 AM
it's interesting to me though, that we always hear about how social security is running out of money, which it is, even though it is funded by the recipients.

but I don't ever recall hearing that welfare is running out of money, even though there is no money to fund it, except for taxpayer dollars. the same taxpayers who are required to fund their own government run retirement system which the government has mismanaged to the point of looming insolvency.

at a point in the not too distant future, regardless of tax cuts or increases, government spending will have to be cut, because the debt has become unsustainable. we are currently borrowing the money to pay the interest on the debt.

and it's hypocritical in the extreme to place the blame on anyone other than Obama, since he doubled the debt for no visible gain, which is why we're in the mess we're in.

it really is laughable to hear ideologues complain about everyone but their savior, who is truly the responsible party.

wj

I have never heard anyone in government say that there is no money for foreign aid either. The only ones that get fewer benefits are small businesses and the working class.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 25, 2018, 08:20:40 AM

I have never heard anyone in government say that there is no money for foreign aid either.
If it has been said, it would be an error in the extreme.  We really should do humanitarian foreign aid for catastrophes, but continually pouring money into sick economies doesn't work for me.  I've no problem sending men and material to help out in, say, an Indonesian tsunami, but sending money to (say) Guatemala in the forlorn hope that they will keep their people home is like a Ponzi scheme.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: JEB on December 25, 2018, 09:54:56 AM

I have never heard anyone in government say that there is no money for foreign aid either.
If it has been said, it would be an error in the extreme.  We really should do humanitarian foreign aid for catastrophes, but continually pouring money into sick economies doesn't work for me.  I've no problem sending men and material to help out in, say, an Indonesian tsunami, but sending money to (say) Guatemala in the forlorn hope that they will keep their people home is like a Ponzi scheme.

That would be fine if we took care of our own people involved in catastrophes but we don't. The people that were flooded out in Bradford County this year are going to receive very little or nothing in the form of aid form the government. They did say they would (TRY) to help them get low-cost loans. In the meantime, I guess those that lose their homes are supposed to camp out or live with others.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 25, 2018, 03:54:52 PM

  Dam unions and poor people. ::)
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 25, 2018, 06:48:42 PM
That would be fine if we took care of our own people involved in catastrophes but we don't.
True enough.  If we simply stop pissing away capital with no return, the needed assets would be quite easily provided.  Short term relief, not long term nipple hanging.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 25, 2018, 06:49:43 PM

  Dam unions and poor people. ::)
Pick one.  Mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: Wax on December 25, 2018, 09:59:23 PM

I have never heard anyone in government say that there is no money for foreign aid either.
If it has been said, it would be an error in the extreme.  We really should do humanitarian foreign aid for catastrophes, but continually pouring money into sick economies doesn't work for me.  I've no problem sending men and material to help out in, say, an Indonesian tsunami, but sending money to (say) Guatemala in the forlorn hope that they will keep their people home is like a Ponzi scheme.

That would be fine if we took care of our own people involved in catastrophes but we don't. The people that were flooded out in Bradford County this year are going to receive very little or nothing in the form of aid form the government. They did say they would (TRY) to help them get low-cost loans. In the meantime, I guess those that lose their homes are supposed to camp out or live with others.
Foreign aid is trillions of taxpayer dollars when you include senseless wars.
Natural, catastrophes  (man-made such as Flint Michigan or Toms River NJ polluted drinking water)  are forgotten once the news stories end. When you read everything they excluded from home owners insurance, they could probably not pay most claims on a technically. Example: If claim is related to a defective product, its not covered. Would a non-defective product burn your house down ? Allstate police. Floods are ground runoff in a non-flood zone.
I look at tax cuts like giving free food as a example. Middle class get 50-lbs of steak. a year.   Billionaire gets 500 tons of steak for the year. If he cannot consume it, it does nothing for the economy, unless it steak. Some farmers would make money. Tax breaks for those who least need it is corrupt politics. Trump gave a trillion dollar tax cut and needs five billion for a senseless wall. He cut the food stamp program and diverted funds into the military budget. I would be glad if he pulls out of the Middle East ,and puts the troops on our borders. Makes a good training area.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: JEB on December 26, 2018, 07:53:21 AM

 Thank someone only a short day of trading today. - 650

Short days or long days it does not matter much, It looks like the DOW is going down to around 14,000. before this bear market correction is over.
Cash is king and that is the place to be for now. The close below 2532 on the S&P 500 confirmed that a bear market was in progress.
Sure there will be rebounds, but just like in previous bear markets they will be short lived. Typical bear markets take from 18 months to 2 years before the markets begin to rebound. only time will tell. 
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 26, 2018, 09:12:56 AM

  I just don't see any real reason, other than manipulation and greed, that the markets are selling off like this. Back when the Occupy Wall Street was happening I thought it was unimpactful stunt. But maybe they were looking at it as it was.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: shinobi on December 26, 2018, 09:32:03 AM
In order better to understand the stock market slide, ask yourself:  "Who benefits?"

Benefits generally can take the form of monetary benefits or political benefits.  Remember the entire Democrat establishment is appalled by Trump.  So are about half of the Republican swamp dwellers.  They have run Washington together for many years.  They are manifestly accustomed to their entrenched, overwhelming, power.  Trump is a real threat to that power.

Does the stock market slide reflect poorly on Trump's leadership?  Does it indicate America with Trump as POTUS is in real trouble?  Will the slide in stocks influence votes in 2020?

You know, Trump only won office by the thinnest of popular vote margins.  He won just by a whisker over perhaps the worst and most corrupt opponent Democrats ever have nominated for high office.  It will not take much in the way of negative outcomes to erode that margin "just enough".  Democrats know this well.  Sad to say, so do a great many filthy Republicans.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 26, 2018, 09:53:08 AM

  What?. Filthy Corrupt. Hillary. Lets see Trumps tax returns.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: shinobi on December 26, 2018, 10:48:28 AM

  Filthy Corrupt Hillary.

Oh my goodness!  You finally got something right!
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 26, 2018, 11:27:06 AM

  They are all slimy Some more than others. Trump is on the hot seat now.
 Karma ?
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 26, 2018, 12:27:15 PM
Lets see Trumps tax returns.
What possible difference can that make?
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 26, 2018, 12:57:51 PM
I still wanna see Obama's college records. not his grades, couldn't care less how bad a student he was, but did he register at occidental as a foreign exchange student? it's a simple question to answer.

who actually looks at the tax returns? I never have. I doubt any but political enemies care about it at all.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 26, 2018, 01:23:43 PM
  Hypocrisy. Its nice. Cause you can have it both ways. Its a win win.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: shinobi on December 26, 2018, 04:32:36 PM

 Trump is on the hot seat now.

Are you suggesting he and the first lady will come under fire during their current Iraq visit . . . . possibly from Islamic militants?

I suppose that is a possibility.  But they both wanted to visit with the troops.  So that is what they are doing.  If any of those Islamo people try to take Trump out but he manages to live, he will turn around and kick their asses.  Trump does not take crap from anyone.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 26, 2018, 05:11:14 PM

 Trump is on the hot seat now.

Are you suggesting he and the first lady will come under fire during their current Iraq visit . . . .
hehehe.  Yahoo news said they didn't go. Fake news ---
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 26, 2018, 05:21:27 PM
I've seen the pictures, he's there. :D

hypocrisy? hardly. there is no legal requirement for politicians to show anything in the way of financial records, including tax returns. the constitution does require however, that the president be an American citizen.

now, my interest in knowing if we had a fraud as the worst president in American history is, that it would bring up some interesting debate, and possibly kick off a constitutional crisis that would have to be settled in the supreme court. that always makes for good reading and thought provoking discussion.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 26, 2018, 06:15:14 PM

  Going Birther. Thats already been played.

   
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 27, 2018, 09:18:42 AM
you and Alexandria must be twins.

same comprehension problem.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 27, 2018, 11:32:08 AM
you and Alexandria must be twins.

same comprehension problem.

wj
Nah.  In her case, it's ignorance and an unwillingness to think and learn.  In his case, it's ADD, an inability to follow a train of thought, and a compulsion to ring in irrelevancies.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 27, 2018, 03:17:04 PM
I've seen the pictures, he's there. :D

hypocrisy? hardly. there is no legal requirement for politicians to show anything in the way of financial records, including tax returns. the constitution does require however, that the president be an American citizen.

now, my interest in knowing if we had a fraud as the worst president in American history is, that it would bring up some interesting debate, and possibly kick off a constitutional crisis that would have to be settled in the supreme court. that always makes for good reading and thought provoking discussion.

wj

  Birther?
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 27, 2018, 03:31:37 PM
no. not even close. nor have I ever thought that there was any legitimacy to the birther conspiracy.

I've already explained what my suspicion is, but since you pay no attention, and show no interest in understanding anything but your ideological beliefs, there's no point in going over it again.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 27, 2018, 03:37:07 PM
you and Alexandria must be twins.

same comprehension problem.

wj
Nah.  In her case, it's ignorance and an unwillingness to think and learn.  In his case, it's ADD, an inability to follow a train of thought, and a compulsion to ring in irrelevancies.

I think you underestimate his unwillingness to think and learn, g. to me at least, he's never demonstrated anything less than being her equal.

this thread is a perfect example. he admits he has no basis for understanding, and then proceeds to lament and expound on...nothing of consequence.

comical, but sad.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 27, 2018, 04:37:32 PM

  Oh. I got it now. Tax fraud and money launderer for sure. That doesn't include what Mueller digs up. On top of that he os an A hole. No wonder you guys love him.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 27, 2018, 04:51:38 PM

  Oh. I got it now. Tax fraud and money launderer for sure. That doesn't include what Mueller digs up. On top of that he os an A hole. No wonder you guys love him.
Off topic.  Again.  Irrelevant.  Again. Demonstrating an inability to comprehend simple English.  Again.  About the only two bits of utility served by good friend Matty is to stand up and be the butt of derisive comments AND keep the site running with new drivel.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on December 27, 2018, 06:53:54 PM
at lest he's consistent   guilty till proven innocent      Trump & Chessy      Wonder how he'd feel if he was judged that way
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 27, 2018, 07:52:08 PM

  Your two favs Rat. Chesapeake and Trump. Getting sued left and right.
  Both pretty slick and slimy..
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 28, 2018, 09:37:09 AM
Demonstrating an inability to comprehend simple English.  Again.

and common sense.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on December 28, 2018, 12:06:37 PM
being sued & found guilty   BIG DIFFERENCE     but I don't expect you to understand       you have to able to think for yourself      that leaves you out  you libs think if you say something it's fact & your proven wrong again & again      to quote wicked witch of the west    "not enough votes"
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 28, 2018, 12:33:53 PM

  Both you favs have lost and settled multiple lawsuits. Neither play it straight.
 Aubrey and Donald had a lot in common.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 28, 2018, 01:52:54 PM
cabot;s lost and settled many lawsuits, and Hillary woulda been sued a buncha times, but everyone dies under mysterious circumstances before they get the chance.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 28, 2018, 02:05:49 PM

  You going deep. It works
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 28, 2018, 03:34:42 PM

  You going deep. It works
A crappy post on a crappy day.  Go play in the street, please.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 28, 2018, 05:05:03 PM

   G. You don't talk about gas much anymore. Got any?
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 28, 2018, 07:40:42 PM

   G. You don't talk about gas much anymore. Got any?
Gas comes in two forms around here, both are givens and producing well.  Both are settled issues as well.  On the other hand, you have not been settled so continuous pinging is indicated.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: duffy on December 28, 2018, 08:36:05 PM
Interesting...... pinging, when do the real depth charges get dropped and at how many fathoms? Even if he understood...... he couldn't fathom it lol.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 28, 2018, 08:54:57 PM
  Little cat and mouse. Usually after the Russians. In the western Atlantic. Maybe pretty far up the Potomac. Possibly a little too far. We should know here in the near future.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 28, 2018, 10:41:10 PM
Interesting...... pinging, when do the real depth charges get dropped and at how many fathoms? Even if he understood...... he couldn't fathom it lol.
Depth charges are not in the armory these days.  Too slow and too shallow.  Pinging, on the other hand has a LOT of uses, including the irritation of the sound target.  We also like acoustic mines ----

On the other side of the coin, there's a shot of Jim sunk in a draft.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: duffy on December 29, 2018, 04:32:32 PM
Jim never sinks, cream rises to the top, just like "head" on his cider :D
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on December 29, 2018, 04:48:07 PM
pretty sure he was referring to the other jim...

jim beam.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 29, 2018, 05:10:10 PM
pretty sure he was referring to the other jim...

jim beam.

wj
Yup.  You're too big for a draft mug drowning.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: duffy on December 30, 2018, 07:17:02 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 30, 2018, 01:39:12 PM

  These stock graphs for the NE drillers don't look real good. SWN surprises the most.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: Wax on December 31, 2018, 04:48:13 PM
I've seen the pictures, he's there. :D

hypocrisy? hardly. there is no legal requirement for politicians to show anything in the way of financial records, including tax returns. the constitution does require however, that the president be an American citizen.

now, my interest in knowing if we had a fraud as the worst president in American history is, that it would bring up some interesting debate, and possibly kick off a constitutional crisis that would have to be settled in the supreme court. that always makes for good reading and thought provoking discussion.

wj
Jim, you need to stop dwelling on something you have no control over. Much bigger things, than your obsession, with O"bummer, took place in America.
Lets talk about the Wall. Trump had 100% Republican control for his first two years ! Either the Republicans outright told him, they would not support the Wall, or Trump himself never wanted it. And in his campaigning "Who is Going to Pay for the Wall ?"  crowd replies "Mexico".  Americano  Ventosa   Happy New Year Jim ,and All
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on December 31, 2018, 05:46:27 PM
I've seen the pictures, he's there. :D

hypocrisy? hardly. there is no legal requirement for politicians to show anything in the way of financial records, including tax returns. the constitution does require however, that the president be an American citizen.

now, my interest in knowing if we had a fraud as the worst president in American history is, that it would bring up some interesting debate, and possibly kick off a constitutional crisis that would have to be settled in the supreme court. that always makes for good reading and thought provoking discussion.

wj
Jim, you need to stop dwelling on something you have no control over. Much bigger things, than your obsession, with O"bummer, took place in America.
Lets talk about the Wall. Trump had 100% Republican control for his first two years ! Either the Republicans outright told him, they would not support the Wall, or Trump himself never wanted it. And in his campaigning "Who is Going to Pay for the Wall ?"  crowd replies "Mexico".  Americano  Ventosa   Happy New Year Jim ,and All
What in heaven's name makes anyone think that any of us have any control over the wall?  That is entirely in the hands of the politicians and hard nose negotiators.  No point to talking about the wall on this forum.  Odipshit remains a millstone, and the open borders simply add to it.

Happy New Year to all.  Now let's build that fence.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on December 31, 2018, 09:07:40 PM

  I think Donald will get a down payment on his wall. Let him have a win. Its the holidays. Happy New Year boys.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on December 31, 2018, 09:16:56 PM
Wax I know your smarter then that to say "Republicans had 100% control you know dame well 51 seats is not control   your slipping over to the dark side with your buddy
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on January 01, 2019, 11:48:23 AM
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Jim, you need to stop dwelling on something you have no control over.

Lets talk about the Wall. Trump had 100% Republican control for his first two years !


stan, if I have any obsession, it would be to learn new things. read what I wrote, I'm interested in the constitutional questions that such a discovery might answer.

trump has not had "control" over anything since his election. almost all of Washington wants him to go away. the dems want to see him fail at any cost. they openly admit that they are ok with the country failing, so long as their political objectives are met.

for myself, after he replaces Ginsburg, I'm ok with him stepping aside for a true conservative to take the reins. I think nikki haley would do a good job.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on January 01, 2019, 02:31:00 PM

  Thats another trait I've noticed that Republicans have. Many have no problem throwing their guys overboard.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: kenneth12 on January 01, 2019, 03:23:38 PM
  Thats another trait I've noticed that Republicans have. Many have no problem throwing their guys overboard.
Indeed, Republicans do seem to feel free to disagree with each other, and they do publicly squabble.  Democrats??  Maybe not so much??  Marching lockstep seems to come natural to them...  Maybe they either have smaller balls or greater fear??
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on January 01, 2019, 05:03:35 PM
  Thats another trait I've noticed that Republicans have. Many have no problem throwing their guys overboard.
Indeed, Republicans do seem to feel free to disagree with each other, and they do publicly squabble.  Democrats??  Maybe not so much??  Marching lockstep seems to come natural to them...  Maybe they either have smaller balls or greater fear??
Yup, no problem nudging non producers out of the way.  If only the donkeys were more apt to run off the idiots.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on January 02, 2019, 08:21:39 AM

  Speaking of idiots. I know a guy that is on SSI disability, Medicaid and food stamps. When the Democrats took over the House he was all bent out of shape that Pelosi would be back as Speaker.
  Too much Rush and Fox ?
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on January 02, 2019, 12:05:20 PM
I have no trouble believing that all of your acquaintances are collecting government checks. birds of a feather and all.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on January 02, 2019, 12:27:45 PM
it's about time you kool-aid drinkers  that believe all that the far left news says spend a little time watching fox the big majority of their anchors & guests are never Trumpers  that's why he's not seen on a lot of their shows  & there ratings are dropping  maybe your neighbor is capable of thinking for himself  unlike to may others seems new management wants to go left
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on January 02, 2019, 05:48:23 PM
I have no trouble believing that all of your acquaintances are collecting government checks. birds of a feather and all.

wj

  Going into my 27th year at the job.
  Really like it. Got some good Cabot boomers. Im paying in. Thats part of the deal. Maybe retire in a couple more.
  You haven't worked for how long?
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on January 02, 2019, 10:34:46 PM
I have no trouble believing that all of your acquaintances are collecting government checks. birds of a feather and all.

wj

  Going into my 27th year at the job.

Again difficulty reading.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on January 02, 2019, 11:06:39 PM
what's wrong with this picture 27 years on the job & I spend most of that time posting
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on January 03, 2019, 12:20:18 AM
  And making money. I love my job. And love my Cabot.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on January 03, 2019, 09:05:03 AM
on the internet, people can pretend to be anything they want to be.

any worker who advocates for higher taxes on the middle class is either a fool, a fraud, or both.

I'm going with my instincts here. he's a 15 year old living in his mother's basement, who sneaks on to the computer when he isn't playing video games with his friends.

spin us another yarn, Alexandria.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on January 03, 2019, 09:38:03 AM
I hope he's self employed if employed at all if not he's really be dishonest  to his employer   
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on January 03, 2019, 01:26:59 PM

  Kind of self employed. Love my job.
  Any of you boys working except for Duffy. He works his ass off.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: duffy on January 03, 2019, 03:55:43 PM
Just looked..... still got it  ;) I enjoy working, to bad there's people who don't, i know quite a few people on this forum personally and they have worked to get to this point in their lives, i begrudge them nothing. When i see otherwise i have issues with it, i hate the thought that "Chuck" and "Nancy" are the voice of america but the Republicans aren't any better, they had Washington by the throat and played politics and let the deplorables down. The only "stock" market i do is Black so win or lose i'm in the black for the long run  ;D
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on January 04, 2019, 07:19:56 PM

 Thank someone only a short day of trading today. - 650

Short days or long days it does not matter much, It looks like the DOW is going down to around 14,000. before this bear market correction is over.
Cash is king and that is the place to be for now. The close below 2532 on the S&P 500 confirmed that a bear market was in progress.
Sure there will be rebounds, but just like in previous bear markets they will be short lived. Typical bear markets take from 18 months to 2 years before the markets begin to rebound. only time will tell.
Hm.  Up 700+ today.  Awful fast recovery, hope it holds.  Build the fence!!!
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on January 04, 2019, 09:51:51 PM
nooooo!

was a good day, easy money. but another down day means another buy, to sell when it goes back up again.

can't make no money buyin' and holdin'.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on January 04, 2019, 11:04:39 PM
if you by the dip & can hold on for a year or so you'll do alright  not to many dips left tho   getting to the time to dip the big toe   
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: windycamel on January 05, 2019, 06:48:54 PM
Big tax deductions coming(already built in) and working the best dip in ten years, No Fear. Into the knee of the curve with only a few more years to retirement. If you still think about the 2008 crash... you are thinking smart.
Hope you all enjoy the entertainment coming from this new congress!!
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on January 06, 2019, 12:16:13 PM
spot on windy. the systemic issues that caused the '08 crash were never addressed, and 8 years of free money have only added to them.

today, we have another housing bubble, plus a stock bubble, a derivatives bubble (watch deutsche bank) and well over twice the debt load that we had back then.

congress? elect a clown, expect a circus. gonna be interesting to see how much traction macal's socialists gain in the next coupla years.

and yeah, no fear. if they wanna hand out freebies, at this point in our lives we can all be takers.

life is good, and the entertainment in Washington is great!

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on January 06, 2019, 01:26:01 PM

congress? elect a clown, expect a circus. gonna be interesting to see how much traction macal's socialists gain in the next coupla years.

life is good, and the entertainment in Washington is great!

wj
Like most entertainment, repetition makes it become boring, not to mention how repetition creates facts out of speculation and wishes.
 
matty's socialist queen, Lexy Occasionally Conscious is bound and determined to make us use solar and wind instead of our gas.  That kid needs a brain transplant from a gecko.  I think that tying her to one of those Honesdale area windmills for a day or so might have her thinking otherwise.  Oh, sorry, forgot.  She lives in NY and us hillbilly deplorables in flyover country don't matter when it comes to quality of life.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on January 06, 2019, 03:53:57 PM

  Matty has a job. Pays into social security and Medicare. Owns multiple property with rentals. Lots of taxes and hires people to do maintenance and upgrades. I do get some good royalties which I feel lucky and grateful for.
 
  Im doing my part in this deal. Now Jim is doing his part day trading stocks.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on January 06, 2019, 10:50:01 PM
like i said before, you can live any kind of fantasy on the internet.

matty has never said anything that would lead me to believe that he makes his living by doing anything other than voting for those who will give him more government handouts.

you seem to have even convinced yourself of some sort of self worth.

wj
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on January 06, 2019, 11:29:16 PM
Matty's mom probable washed his mouth out with soap 
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on January 07, 2019, 01:17:17 PM

  Probably did once or twice. 50 years ago.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: JEB on January 09, 2019, 07:57:12 AM

  Probably did once or twice. 50 years ago.
Why are these guys always after you Macal? Did you take all of there girlfriends out back in high school?
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on January 09, 2019, 08:16:23 AM

  Not sure Jeb. Could be a Wyalusing
 Towanda thing. Maybe a Republican
 Democrat thing. Most likely its a Chesapeake Cabot thing. By the way, I got some news on the CHK lawsuit. Its still in play with the PA AG.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on January 09, 2019, 10:00:57 AM
I heard no grill will go out with him since he tried paying for  a dates meal with food stamps
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: ghrit on January 09, 2019, 11:17:57 AM

  Probably did once or twice. 50 years ago.
Why are these guys always after you Macal? Did you take all of there girlfriends out back in high school?
Some itches just have to be scratched.  (He tried to date her, but she laughed in his face.)
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on January 09, 2019, 11:52:57 AM

  I did alright in high school. Even hooked up with a Wyalusing girl. Those were the days. I've been married for 35 years with a Jersey girl.
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: riverrat on January 09, 2019, 12:34:02 PM

  Not sure Jeb. Could be a Wyalusing
 Towanda thing. Maybe a Republican
 Democrat thing. Most likely its a Chesapeake Cabot thing. By the way, I got some news on the CHK lawsuit. Its still in play with the PA AG.
heard there's a nice settlement in hand
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: macal on January 09, 2019, 12:38:50 PM
  Chris Jones? Or the AG?
Title: Re: Stock Market
Post by: aubrey on January 09, 2019, 07:54:04 PM
I heard no grill will go out with him since he tried paying for  a dates meal with food stamps

bwahahaha!

now that right there was funny as hell rat. and probably true too.

gotta be tough hooking up when ya live in your parents basement too. not like he can bring a girl home, his mom would be like, "ya know he doesn't have a job right?"

wj