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Title: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: shinobi on September 10, 2019, 05:43:54 PM
If you really thought that the ocean level was rising rapidly, would you buy a house next to the sea?

Take a look at the location of the newest Obama mansion.  Barack and Michelle are betting $15M of their own money that their new digs will remain above water.  But wait!!  Are they not deserving?  Consider the jobs those two provided, over their eight years in office, for America's least advantaged black and Hispanic citizens.  Why black and Hispanic unemployment is at an all time LOW!!

No, hold on.  I'm wrong.  It is Trump who has brought this about in less than three years as POTUS.  Obama did virtually nothing for the disadvantaged.

But no worries, because thanks to Obama and his like-minded acolytes we have this situation today:

The U.S. political and media class have managed to turn people who are heroes into villains. For years, the fact that the United States was dependent on less than savory foreign countries was viewed as costly and dangerous for the national well-being. The problem was solved by oil-men, many with advanced degrees in geology and physics who developed fracking, horizontal drilling and other techniques for producing much more oil and gas at much lower prices, and with lower emissions. Thank goodness for realistic private businessmen rather than government/socialist talking heads who would have left the world dependent on whale oil.

But wait, there is more;  much more.  Read the entire blistering piece here, and just LOOK at that mansion!!:

http://www.gopusa.com/untouched-by-climate-change-reality/ (http://www.gopusa.com/untouched-by-climate-change-reality/)


(http://www.gopusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/obama_mansion_mv.jpg)
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: realman on September 10, 2019, 06:49:00 PM
They were payed the money from Russia for holding natural gas production back in the United States for eight years.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 10, 2019, 06:59:18 PM

  What? You might want to look over some EIA data. Just making shit up.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: realman on September 10, 2019, 07:12:06 PM
Macal,I was talking about the real world not the fake news world.Your funny.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: realman on September 10, 2019, 08:04:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNxEDomUlXw
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 10, 2019, 08:49:59 PM

  And you guys flipped out. Now look at the last election. Today we heard from a Russian mole what Vlad was up to. Obama and Clinton hit him where it hurts. Billions of his and his cronies dirty money froze in banks around the world.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: riverrat on September 10, 2019, 10:32:35 PM
no worry the next dem president will send him a plane load of cash
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: shinobi on September 11, 2019, 12:14:57 AM
Macal and his entire family continue to use whale oil lamps.  The whale oil acts as fuel for their anti-America fervor.

After all, genuine America haters like macal and his kin refuse to use fossil fuels on principle.  They are saving the earth don'tcha know. :D

Liberals:  WABOA
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 11, 2019, 12:44:45 AM
   
  America hater ? I had to delete what I wrote initially. But if you would ever want to meet face to face let me know. I could fly into ELM anytime.

   
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: shinobi on September 11, 2019, 01:01:27 AM

  America hater. Thats it . Im not taking your punk ass shit. I will meet you anywhere anytime. Youre a punk.

You're a self-admitted liberal.  You detest traditional America by definition.

Appears I touched a nerve.  Wassa matter . . . does the truth give you second thoughts?

Never bet against my country.  We always win.

America first.  MAGA
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 11, 2019, 01:10:20 AM
  I guess screwing porn stars while your wife is home with your new born son is what you call traditional America.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: shinobi on September 11, 2019, 01:12:16 AM
   
   I could fly into ELM anytime. 

Please spare us.

Besides, it's a long flight from California.  Keep your idiotic liberal beliefs there, where they belong and where you fit right in.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: shinobi on September 11, 2019, 01:14:27 AM

  I guess screwing porn stars while my wife is home   

Oh, come on.  You have never in your life screwed a porn star.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 11, 2019, 01:20:34 AM

   I don't live in California. And I dont grab women in the crotch either. You?
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: shinobi on September 11, 2019, 01:32:53 AM

   I don't live in California. And I dont grab women in the crotch either.

???   So you're saying you grab men in the crotch?

You sure you don't live in California?  You surely have their warped values.

Take your sick socialism and get out of my country.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 11, 2019, 01:36:02 AM

  Those windmills go Whoosh Whoosh.
  They say it can drive a person crazy.
  Donald even says they can give you cancer when he gets on one of his rants.
  You OK?
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: shinobi on September 11, 2019, 01:37:13 AM
Trump just won two important Congressional races in North Carolina.  And he wasn't even on the ballot!!

So I can understand why you're having a bad time.  When you oppose America . . . and you do . . . you're gonna lose.

Big time. :D
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 11, 2019, 01:47:49 AM
  Whoosh. Whoosh. Whoosh.
  Do they send your royalty check from Spain ? I get mine from Cabot. They're American.
  I also heat my house and hot water with natural gas for about
  $1000 a year. Great product.
  No smoke no ash.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 11, 2019, 09:41:26 AM
oohhh, I think you hit a nerve shinobi.

but that's ok, coz he says he likes that.

Russia gave Hillary $150M, trump $0, but let's keep that Russian collusion narrative alive coz lies are what win elections for liberals.

know why trump doesn't wear glasses? coz he's got 2020! WOOOOOOOOOOWOOOOOOOOOO! all aboard!

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 11, 2019, 10:24:20 AM

  Trump zero. Putin helped him get elected.This fact comes from a Russian official close to Putin who was working for the CIA.
  That had to be worth something.
   
 
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 11, 2019, 10:44:27 AM
facebook ads?  :D Hillary was the biggest factor in getting trump elected.

$150M paid to Hillary. now that was gonna be worth something if she were elected. more than the uranium that she and Obama gave putin. more than the crimea that they let putin have without opposition. more than the flexibility that Obama promised to putin after his reelection.

and what did putin get for a few facebook ads? sanctions, bombings and roadblocks to Russian expansion. Hillary would have sold us out, same as Obama, for cash. and not just to Russia, but china as well.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 11, 2019, 10:51:51 AM

  I like you all make it sound like that uranium from Utah and Wyoming is being shipped to Russia. False. It stays here in the US.

   The money you speak of did not go to
 Hillary. It went to the Clinton Foundation. Its a charity.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 11, 2019, 01:16:03 PM
so, Hillary's buddy vlad is just a nice, kindly charitable sorta guy. I can believe that you believe that when dems are in bed with him, coz you're a loyal democrat. mustn't let any dirt fall on dear leaders shoes.

and the infamous kgb sourced dossier that Hillary paid millions for, so that she could dump false allegations on her political opponent during the presidential campaign. that was a social outreach program I suppose. mmhm.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 11, 2019, 01:20:12 PM

  Not much came out before the election. Everyone wanted to know what was on Anthony Weiner's computer.

   You might want to google up
     Guccifer 2.0
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: ghrit on September 11, 2019, 11:36:31 PM
   
I get mine from Cabot.

You've been watching and believing Cabot's ads on the TV.  Hook, line, and sinker.  I'll concede that they are not a bad outfit, but they do NOT walk on water like the ads say.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: Wax on September 12, 2019, 02:02:25 AM

  Not much came out before the election. Everyone wanted to know what was on Anthony Weiner's computer.

   You might want to google up
     Guccifer 2.0
There are many Anthony Weiner people in office. Perverted . However that is not why, he had a target on himself. This was what he did wrong. He wanted the truth. This is what got him buried.
Watch the clip. I could no longer find it on Youtube.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4719261/rep-anthony-weiner-911-investigation
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 12, 2019, 06:49:09 AM
   
I get mine from Cabot.

You've been watching and believing Cabot's ads on the TV.  Hook, line, and sinker.  I'll concede that they are not a bad outfit, but they do NOT walk on water like the ads say.

  I was pointing out to Shinobi when he called me an America hater and flashed the MAGA deal that Im partnering with a great American company and he is getting royalties from a Spaniish company drilling for gas in NE PA. Repsol. From what I hear they treat their royalty owners very good also.
 
 
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 12, 2019, 09:03:54 AM
so you think that leasing your gas rights to an American company absolves you of your anti American rhetoric and activities?

what an odd way of trying to vindicate yourself.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 12, 2019, 09:06:24 AM

  Anti American. I didnt know severance taxes were un American. Or being a Democrat.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: riverrat on September 12, 2019, 11:56:21 AM
waiting for your reply WJ
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: Wax on September 12, 2019, 12:25:26 PM
waiting for your reply WJ
You been doing alot of this lately ? Do you need someone else's thoughts ? or
Just another wj, screen name ? 
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: riverrat on September 12, 2019, 01:11:27 PM
waiting for your reply WJ
You been doing alot of this lately ? Do you need someone else's thoughts ? or
Just another wj, screen name ?
nope just agreed not to reply to an idiots posts
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 12, 2019, 01:46:12 PM
rat, they're onto us.  :D

ya can't get nuthin' past those counterintelligence guys with their dossiers.

reply? no reply necessary. he said he didn't know, now he does.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 12, 2019, 02:09:32 PM
waiting for your reply WJ
You been doing alot of this lately ? Do you need someone else's thoughts ? or
Just another wj, screen name ?
nope just agreed not to reply to an idiots posts

  Un American Idiot.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: Wax on September 12, 2019, 02:48:29 PM
so you think that leasing your gas rights to an American company absolves you of your anti American rhetoric and activities?

what an odd way of trying to vindicate yourself.

wj
I would like you to watch the video and reply !
There are many Anthony Weiner people in office. Perverted . However that is not why, he had a target on himself. This was what he did wrong. He wanted the truth. This is what got him buried.
Watch the clip. I could no longer find it on Youtube.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4719261/rep-anthony-weiner-911-investigation
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 12, 2019, 03:56:15 PM
I watched it. I saw typical congressional fake outrage over a nonissue.

so...you're claiming that he did not get arrested for sending nekkid pics of himself to young girls? what's your story? someone faked the pics? the girl wasn't real? I need a better explanation of what you're claiming here.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: Wax on September 12, 2019, 09:54:47 PM
I watched it. I saw typical congressional fake outrage over a nonissue.

so...you're claiming that he did not get arrested for sending nekkid pics of himself to young girls? what's your story? someone faked the pics? the girl wasn't real? I need a better explanation of what you're claiming here.

wj
Antony Weiner wanted a real 911 investigation and "spoke out", evidence was being removed from the largest "crime scene" in the country. Senator Paul  Wellstone wanted the same, demanded senate hearings on 911, and a no vote for a war against Iraq. He and his family died a short time latter in a plane crash.  Julian Assange was one of Trumps honorable people. jailed today.
How many pedifiles are in Jeffrey Epstein's  black book ? At least two presidents. The cameras in his cell stopped working. I thought that only happens at the Pentagon ? Normal people do-not get away with murder, but many are beyond normal.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/tribute-to-the-last-honorable-us-senator-the-story-of-paul-wellstones-suspected-assassination/5553033

The former alcoholic  GW Bush is far guiltier of crimes against humanity, and makes Anthony Weiner look like an altar boy in comparison.

House Republicans late Thursday were able to corral enough votes to defeat a bill that would have provided up to $7.4 billion in aid to those sickened by toxins resulting from the 9/11 attacks. (Yep they care about the heroes)
In the process, they set off a host of fiery speeches and denunciations from their Democratic colleagues and produced a veritable YouTube moment from Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y), whose district includes many of the affected.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/anthony-weiner-911-bill-ballistic_n_664568
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: riverrat on September 12, 2019, 10:44:18 PM
WOW your one deranged person. I feel sorry for your family
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 13, 2019, 10:10:06 AM
The former alcoholic  GW Bush is far guiltier of crimes against humanity, and makes Anthony Weiner look like an altar boy in comparison.

ok, now I'm following your thinking.

you're still operating on the theory that no planes ever hit the towers, and baby bush blew them up.

since that post was a copy and paste, I'm guessing that those sites are where you're getting your news? and you believe them completely, since you use the word fact so often when referring to the ideas they present.

it's a pretty safe bet that macal is getting his news from cnn and msnbc since he has bought into the Russia narrative so completely too.

it is interesting to see how people view the world according to their information sources. it could certainly be argued that all news is fake, and our choices and interpretations of it are based on our predispositions.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 13, 2019, 10:17:16 AM

  True. But they have CIA and FBI heads backing up the Russian narrative. Plus Mueller. The Russians are hacking the voter roles.
 
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 13, 2019, 11:13:56 AM
in the past 2 weeks cnn has had to retract 2 of their russia stories due to bad reporting.

before that, they had to retract the deutsche bank story which said that Russian oligarchs had cosigned loans for trump.

Mueller said that the trump campaign did not collude with Russia.

Mueller found no evidence of vote tampering by any Russians.

Mueller did find that the Obama administration failed to prevent Russia from running fake ads, both for and against both candidates which may have swayed some votes, but primarily was designed to create the scenario we are currently in. government paralyzed by political fighting.

and also, Russia did nothing that Obama didn't do. he spent u.s. taxpayer dollars in attempts to swing elections in the u.k., Israel and Egypt.

if you're still clinging to cnn for your news, you're desperate for fake stories that support your prejudices. and that explains why you so vehemently deny the truth.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 13, 2019, 11:31:14 AM

  We will see. We dont have Donalds taxes or the Duetchebank records yet. Plus we do have the Russian mole waiting in the wings. Some of that is starting to come out. More to come.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 13, 2019, 12:01:04 PM
you are seeing right now. cnn's market share is plummeting due to their fake news continually disappointing you guys who need desperately to see trump thwarted at every turn. they throw you little bread crumbs to string you along, only to pull them away before you realize your dream. they told you every night that Mueller had the goods, and then when he didn't produce they turned on him too.

Schiff told you over a year ago that he had the evidence on trump. still waiting, right?

you base your needs on emotion, not facts. you want so badly to see a duly elected president taken down that you'll believe anything that gives you hope. un-American for sure. we didn't like Obama, but we never wanted the country to suffer because he was there.

there's an interesting parallel between this trump hating and another of your mistaken beliefs. just as the trump Russia narrative is collapsing as you cling to it, so too is the global warming hoax. you guys just can't see that you're being hoodwinked.

you talking about brennan, clapper and comey backing up the Russia hoax? those 3 are the biggest trump haters around, and andy McCabe is gonna get his day in court soon too. it's becoming pretty clear that Obama used the power of his office to direct a campaign of political espionage, followed by sabotage in furtherance of his political agenda. wait until the fog lifts and we'll see who was out to destroy America.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 13, 2019, 12:09:07 PM
  Lets see. Clapper and Brennen know a lot that has not been disclosed. We got time. It took 6 years to get Bill Clinton but you guys got him.
  I would love to see the tape of Trump under oath. That guy cant tell the truth for nothing.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 13, 2019, 12:26:27 PM
keep clinging if you need to, but in the end the results will be the same.

one small difference though. with Clinton it was purely political. this time we know that Russia sowed the seeds of discord, and you and the other trump haters are playing right into their hands.

I can't wait to see how you defend lizzy warren when she gets the nomination. she's promised to end frac'ing on her first day in office.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 13, 2019, 12:32:08 PM
  She cant end it. Only states can make that call.
  Thats why it may not be a bad idea to grease Harrisburg a little.
  The battle is coming.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 13, 2019, 01:31:21 PM
ahh, the lizzy defense begins! and with same lie as you use with the severance tax. "oh, she couldn't do that!"  :D

she could end it immediately, nationwide. there is no legislation allowing frac'ing, just epa rules which are controlled by the executive branch. her discretion, my bet is that she'd empanel a study commission and suspend frac'ing just like Obama did with the keystone pipeline.

that's one pandering promise that I'm betting she'd keep.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 13, 2019, 02:12:49 PM
  I never said that Wolf couldn't do it.
  I said he said he would exempt landowners. Making stuff up again.
  The EPA v the states would probably go to the Supremr Court. You got that covered.
 
   The XL pipeline was to bring heavy dirty Canandian oil to Texas refineries. The Feds do have some control over interstate pipelines and definitely ones between 2 countries.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: Wax on September 14, 2019, 12:52:20 AM
The former alcoholic  GW Bush is far guiltier of crimes against humanity, and makes Anthony Weiner look like an altar boy in comparison.

ok, now I'm following your thinking.

you're still operating on the theory that no planes ever hit the towers, and baby bush blew them up.

since that post was a copy and paste, I'm guessing that those sites are where you're getting your news? and you believe them completely, since you use the word fact so often when referring to the ideas they present.

it's a pretty safe bet that macal is getting his news from cnn and msnbc since he has bought into the Russia narrative so completely too.

it is interesting to see how people view the world according to their information sources. it could certainly be argued that all news is fake, and our choices and interpretations of it are based on our predispositions.

wj
Your still operating on the theory Iraq and the millions of lives destroyed, mean nothing. Another lie you ignore. You certainly cannot think life , has any value at all. We (Bush Cheney & the rest who wrote Project of a New American Century,  (endless murder) lied to get into the longest war in our history. WE ARE THE INVADER AND THE ENEMY OF THE IRAQI PEOPLE. We are not always the good guys as the history book displays.  We are the top murderers in the world following WWII. Free speech is going by the way of    Julian Assange. FACTS
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: Wax on September 14, 2019, 01:09:54 AM
WOW your one deranged person. I feel sorry for your family
For reading a book ? It comes with  **** four stars. Buy it on Amazon.
American Assassination: The Strange Death Of Senator Paul Wellstone
Ten days before his anticipated re-election, Senator Paul Wellstone was killed in the mysterious crash of his small aircraft. To this day, the public mourns the loss. Some harbor suspicions. Some remember how the media blamed the weather.
In American Assassination, two Ph.D. Professors, James Fetzer and Don "Four Arrows" Jacobs, prove that the weather did not kill Senator Wellstone, his wife and child, on that morning in October. Nor were the two pilots incompetent, as per the later claims of the bumbling National Transportation Safety Board. With a scientific investigation, logical analysis, and a ruthless dismantling of the official story, American Assassination confirms the worst fears of a nation: Senator Paul Wellstone was murdered.
https://www.amazon.com/American-Assassination-Strange-Senator-Wellstone/dp/0975276301
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 14, 2019, 07:02:57 AM
I said he said he would exempt landowners. Making stuff up again.
 

yes, but why? just tell the truth.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 14, 2019, 07:06:02 AM
WE ARE THE INVADER AND THE ENEMY OF THE IRAQI PEOPLE. We are not always the good guys as the history book displays.  We are the top murderers in the world following WWII.

and bush murdered 3000 americans when he blew up the towers?

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 14, 2019, 10:24:07 AM
ahh, the lizzy defense begins! and with same lie as you use with the severance tax. "oh, she couldn't do that!"  :D

she could end it immediately, nationwide. there is no legislation allowing frac'ing, just epa rules which are controlled by the executive branch. her discretion, my bet is that she'd empanel a study commission and suspend frac'ing just like Obama did with the keystone pipeline.

that's one pandering promise that I'm betting she'd keep.

wj

  If they did try to shut down fracking the price of oil and gas would sky rocket. It would be 1974 again.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: ghrit on September 14, 2019, 03:13:20 PM
  She cant end it. Only states can make that call.
  Thats why it may not be a bad idea to grease Harrisburg a little.
  The battle is coming.
Where did you get the idea she can't?  It's interstate commerce, all she has to do is choke some chickens in the senate, and it's a done deal (if elected, and we can hope that won't happen.)

So far as greasing h-burg goes, they don't need any more, there's enough thievery going on already.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 14, 2019, 03:55:33 PM

  Fracking is not interstate. Pipelining is.
 
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 14, 2019, 04:16:51 PM

  Bottom line is that the battle is coming.
  Maybe not in 2020 but its coming.
   Natural gas helps the air and cuts carbon emissions. Thats the argument.
 Calling people names isn't the way to go. But thats the way a lot of you like to roll.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 14, 2019, 05:25:06 PM
always the victim huh.

but you can use whatever language you want and it's ok. heck, you even threaten people.

but that's how liberals like to roll.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: ghrit on September 14, 2019, 06:43:52 PM

  Fracking is not interstate. Pipelining is.
 
OK, good argument.  But preventing gas production IS interfering with interstate commerce.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: Wax on September 14, 2019, 10:25:16 PM
WE ARE THE INVADER AND THE ENEMY OF THE IRAQI PEOPLE. We are not always the good guys as the history book displays.  We are the top murderers in the world following WWII.

and bush murdered 3000 americans when he blew up the towers?

wj
THE IRAQI PEOPLE did not kill any Americans and we slaughtered unimaginable amounts. (of men, women, children, infants, unborn, savages)The UN inspectors said there was no WMD"s . The US Ambassador Republican Joseph Wilson agreed. He went on a campaign against any war against Iraq, along with millions of Americans.  But the war was planned before Bush was elected, along with a New Pearl Harbor.  Who said their no such thing, as the perfect crime. No need for perfection, when you own the government.
Their Democratic now ? Landowners are getting there royalty checks ?  One cannot imagine how much they love America.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 15, 2019, 08:22:32 AM

  Yea Wax. What a disaster. Cheney and Boulton couldn't wait to invade Iraq.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 15, 2019, 08:42:08 AM
the war was planned before Bush was elected, along with a New Pearl Harbor. 

right. but bush also killed 3000 americans when he blew up the towers, right?

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 15, 2019, 09:40:38 PM
  I thought it was 15 Saudi Arabians and 2 Egyptians masterminded by a Pakastani.
  How that led to war and occupation of Iraq is still a mystery to me. I think George got snookered by a few of them there hawks he was hanging around with.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: claude on September 15, 2019, 10:03:46 PM

  Fracking is not interstate. Pipelining is.
 
the ferc decrees that most underground storage is interstate. how big of a lie is that?
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: riverrat on September 15, 2019, 10:06:40 PM
seems somebody should check the facts of both conflicts
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: Wax on September 15, 2019, 10:57:10 PM
the war was planned before Bush was elected, along with a New Pearl Harbor. 

right. but bush also killed 3000 americans when he blew up the towers, right?

wj
https://www.google.com/search?q=bush+also+killed+3000+americans+when+he+blew+up+the+towers%2C+right%3F&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS754US754&oq=bush+also+killed+3000+americans+when+he+blew+up+the+towers%2C+right%3F&aqs=chrome..69i57.2749j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: Wax on September 15, 2019, 11:52:25 PM
  I thought it was 15 Saudi Arabians and 2 Egyptians masterminded by a Pakastani.
  How that led to war and occupation of Iraq is still a mystery to me. I think George got snookered by a few of them there hawks he was hanging around with.
This never makes it to US news. Why ? At least six  Saudis are alive,  the FBI never removed their pictures or names. Stick to the "official story"

The world's media has reported that many of the so-called hijackers "fingered" by the FBI are still alive. For example the BBC (British Broadcasting Cooperation) carried this report: Hijack 'suspects' alive and well. Waleed Al Shehri ... Khalid Al-Midhar may also be alive ... also be alive. FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Thursday that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt.
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/september-eleven/hijackers-alive.htm
Iraq Invasion was planned  before 911.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNt7s_Wed_4     2-minutes
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 17, 2019, 12:52:00 PM

  I didnt open either one of those links.
 Anyway we need to talk about climate change in a civil way. This is a natural gas forum. Many of us are fortunate to get royalties for the gas under our land.
  We are also fortunate that the product, natural gas, is the perfect product at this period of time to replace coal to generate electricity. All fossil fuel are not the same.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 17, 2019, 01:46:34 PM
global warming is a hoax.

man made climate change is a hoax.

the only way to talk about it is with facts, because the "science" is riddled with political agendas.

nasa and noaa data clearly show that the early part of the 20th century at 280 ppm co2 was warmer than than the current 400 ppm climate.

thousands of people died in heatwaves of weeks of 100 plus degree temps prior to 1940. the dust bowl drought was in the 1930's. the worst hurricane to hit modern America was in 1906. the climate has cooled since those days, but the hockey stick graph that is used by alarmists begins in the 1950's during a cooler period after peak 20th century temps. temps have been rising again since then, but are still not as high as the early 20th, with much lower co2 numbers.

todays alarmist propaganda talks about dire consequences and offers as evidence, Greenland melting, amazon fires and a prediction of an ice free arctic which hasn't materialized. those amazon fires happen every year as does the Greenland glacier melt, and in fact the amazon fires are fewer and the melting less than previous years.

the hoax is based on lies and skewed data and bolstered by a young girl used as a prop to tug at heart strings.

then there's the hypocrisy. the same politicians and movie stars who tell us we must buy electric cars and give up fossil fuels in favor of solar and wind are the ones who fly private jets and use electricity at rates many times what we consume.

there was a p38 lightning that crashed on the Greenland glaciers during ww2. today that crash site is under 250 of additional ice. 250 feet of additional ice in 70 years does not sound like we're gonna run out of ice soon to me.

there's your civil discussion, the question is...can you keep it that way.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 17, 2019, 01:52:10 PM
  I guess you settled that. No reason to advocate for natural gas over coal. Good luck y all. Its coming. You're ready.

  Im watching your boys on TV now. They got some skills.
 
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: ghrit on September 17, 2019, 03:33:30 PM
No reason to advocate for natural gas over coal.
Since when did you abandon being an amateur conclusion jumper and go pro?  Excellent jump, too bad you missed the sawdust pit.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 17, 2019, 04:00:48 PM
instead of civil discussion, he resorts to smart assed comments. alarmists do not want discussion, they avoid it at every turn.

natural gas will win against coal because of economics. for now, many americans make their living mining coal, and I see no reason to pull the rug out from under their families just so we can make a few extra bucks. it ain't all about us gas people, it's about americans doing well.

you say that you're a loyal democrat. I say that many of us are loyal americans. we do not seek to profit at the cost of other americans jobs. we have a great resource that the world needs, and they will buy it, but they will also buy coal as long as the price is right.

I also do not wish to increase my royalty take through mandates based on lies, because lies will always come back to bite you in the ass as we are currently seeing with all this talk about banning gas along with the other fossil fuels.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 17, 2019, 04:28:10 PM

  Free Markets favor Nat gas. Its way cleaner than coal and probably cheaper in long run. No lies here.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 17, 2019, 04:53:16 PM

   Exported LNG is replacing coal now. Lot of coal being exported too. Its competition.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: ghrit on September 17, 2019, 04:59:54 PM

   Exported LNG is replacing coal now. Lot of coal being exported too. Its competition.
I don't see that it has to be an "either/or" proposition. Let economics take charge of demand.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 17, 2019, 05:13:17 PM

  Exactly. They are competing. Then you have the climate people. Nust ignore them? Or sell your product?
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: ghrit on September 17, 2019, 06:57:31 PM

  Exactly. They are competing. Then you have the climate people. Nust ignore them? Or sell your product?
So you are a closet capitalist.  You hide it well.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: Wax on September 18, 2019, 01:32:16 AM

   Exported LNG is replacing coal now. Lot of coal being exported too. Its competition.
Probably way easier to export coal, but few want it. Seems like the biggest issue with NG is getting the pipelines built, or completed in many cases. Gee, the green machine is in West Virginia & Virginia delaying a pipeline 85% complete. ( years + delays). Coal goes by trucks or rail, so less of a problem. My backwards thinking.
"The elevated health risks appear to be associated with exposure to air pollutants from the coal-burning power plant emissions and to the heavy metals and radioactive material in coal ash, a waste product of the plants."
 https://corporate.dukehealth.org/news-listing/despite-studies-health-effects-coal-burning-power-plants-remain-unknown.
NJ , Warren County, built a waste to energy power plant 13.5 megawatts  on 550 tons of garbage a day. It is in a populated area, and was burning batteries until mercury levels in the area soared.  They will never put something like this, within the boundaries of a state forest. It is to risky for the environment :'( .  Way to many people, as long as its not near the 1% its fine.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 18, 2019, 09:16:54 AM
Exactly. They are competing. Then you have the climate people. Nust ignore them? Or sell your product?

you seem to be thinking that we are somehow involved in the marketing or promotion of the product. do you think that by hyping climate change you are somehow advancing the use of gas? because I do not, and nor will I participate in the promotion of a lie to do so if it could be done.

that's a fundamental difference between us, and I think that most folks prefer to be honest as well.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 18, 2019, 09:18:51 AM
Exactly. They are competing. Then you have the climate people. Nust ignore them? Or sell your product?
So you are a closet capitalist.  You hide it well.

that doesn't fit with my definition of "capitalist". he takes no risk, and provides no benefit to anyone but himself.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 18, 2019, 09:40:08 AM

  How wpuld you know what business risks I have taken. Thats ridiculous. You dont know what I have done. We know what you have risked and benefits you have provided. Day trading stocks and collecting royalties. You haven't had a real job for 20 years. Nothing wrong with that. But to disparage what I have done when you have no facts is typical of all your opinions of others here.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 18, 2019, 09:46:23 AM
Exactly. They are competing. Then you have the climate people. Nust ignore them? Or sell your product?

you seem to be thinking that we are somehow involved in the marketing or promotion of the product. do you think that by hyping climate change you are somehow advancing the use of gas? because I do not, and nor will I participate in the promotion of a lie to do so if it could be done.

that's a fundamental difference between us, and I think that most folks prefer to be honest as well.

wj

  You are so sure of everything.  Must be nice. You and Donald. Peas in a pod.
 
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 18, 2019, 09:49:16 AM
and once again you leave civility behind in favor of baseless attacks.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 18, 2019, 10:04:52 AM

  You really need to read some of your own posts.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 18, 2019, 11:05:29 AM
you need to read them without your ideological lens and without your constant feelings of victimization.

you called for civil discussion, but you have yet to engage in meaningful discussion. you seem to only want people to agree with you, but in order for that to happen, you must first present a fact based rebuttal. calling your opposition names is not a substitute.

then there's the problem of you going off into the weeds, causing discussions to degenerate into chaos. stick to a subject, and provide the rationale for your thinking instead of trying to insult with catchy one liners. otherwise, no discussion with you will ever result in any meaningful exchange.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 18, 2019, 11:19:34 AM

  I am inclined to believe that man is accelerating climate change. To what degree I have no idea. A lot of people think it is and will have catastrophic conditions. Other think it is a hoax.
  Im in the middle. Im selling natural gas.
  So lets keep the transition going from coal. It looks to be a win for everyone. Except for the coal miners. Coal had a great run and by no means is it gone from our energy future. Time to move on to a better product in terms of ground air and water pollution. And reduce carbon at the same time.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: ghrit on September 18, 2019, 11:31:27 AM
Exactly. They are competing. Then you have the climate people. Nust ignore them? Or sell your product?
So you are a closet capitalist.  You hide it well.

that doesn't fit with my definition of "capitalist". he takes no risk, and provides no benefit to anyone but himself.

wj
If indeed he's endorsing competition, he's at least giving lip service to capitalism.  Whether or not he's in the risk taking pool or not, well, we don't know and don't give a rodent's sphincter.  But I'm pretty sure he'll never take a seat at a poker table.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: ghrit on September 18, 2019, 11:33:34 AM
Except for the coal miners.
Especially the UMW.  I imagine you'll be hearing from wax about that.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 18, 2019, 11:43:05 AM

  Wax and Donald. Trump is a bif union supporter. Lot of votes there. He needs everyone he can get.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 18, 2019, 12:07:21 PM
I am inclined to believe that man is accelerating climate change. To what degree I have no idea. A lot of people think it is and will have catastrophic conditions. Other think it is a hoax.
Im in the middle. Im selling natural gas.
 

first, lets separate the gas selling from global warming. we all want to sell gas, but few of us want to promote lies in order to do it. are you in favor of scaring kids into thinking that their world is soon gonna come to an end in order to make a few bucks?

on what basis do you believe that man is accelerating climate change? have you looked at the data? have you followed the series of dire warnings of imminent consequences to see if any of them have actually materialized? do you think that the leaders of this quasi religion are leading by example? because if they're not, it calls their claims and motives into question.

earth's climate is in constant flux. it's been way colder and hotter, and certainly more violent in the past. today, after several thousand years of human influence we are in a relatively calm interglacial period. a sweet spot, a goldilocks zone where we can support a huge population without fear of starvation. atmospheric co2 is an essential part of agricultural security, and we are nowhere near the "greenhouse" levels of the distant past. more co2 means more food, and a decreased need for heating fuel. labeling co2 as a pollutant is a ridiculous mischaracterization.

I will confess that I was previously inclined to accept the premise that the earth was warming up due to increasing co2 levels until I looked at the data, which clearly shows that that is not the case.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 18, 2019, 12:11:41 PM
If indeed he's endorsing competition, he's at least giving lip service to capitalism.  Whether or not he's in the risk taking pool or not, well, we don't know and don't give a rodent's sphincter.  But I'm pretty sure he'll never take a seat at a poker table.

socialism has competition too, but capitalism involves the risk of capital to increase market share which grows the capital.

maybe that's lip service, I dunno.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 18, 2019, 12:16:08 PM
I am inclined to believe that man is accelerating climate change. To what degree I have no idea. A lot of people think it is and will have catastrophic conditions. Other think it is a hoax.
Im in the middle. Im selling natural gas.
 

first, lets separate the gas selling from global warming. we all want to sell gas, but few of us want to promote lies in order to do it. are you in favor of scaring kids into thinking that their world is soon gonna come to an end in order to make a few bucks?

on what basis do you believe that man is accelerating climate change? have you looked at the data? have you followed the series of dire warnings of imminent consequences to see if any of them have actually materialized? do you think that the leaders of this quasi religion are leading by example? because if they're not, it calls their claims and motives into question.

earth's climate is in constant flux. it's been way colder and hotter, and certainly more violent in the past. today, after several thousand years of human influence we are in a relatively calm interglacial period. a sweet spot, a goldilocks zone where we can support a huge population without fear of starvation. atmospheric co2 is an essential part of agricultural security, and we are nowhere near the "greenhouse" levels of the distant past. more co2 means more food, and a decreased need for heating fuel. labeling co2 as a pollutant is a ridiculous mischaracterization.

I will confess that I was previously inclined to accept the premise that the earth was warming up due to increasing co2 levels until I looked at the data, which clearly shows that that is not the case.

wj
  NASA disagrees with you. They claim that we are at 400 ppm. They say the is the highest level they can ascertain by taking samples from glaciers. And that higher levels of carbon brought on higher temperatures. Thats NASA.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: ghrit on September 18, 2019, 12:43:01 PM
If indeed he's endorsing competition, he's at least giving lip service to capitalism.  Whether or not he's in the risk taking pool or not, well, we don't know and don't give a rodent's sphincter.  But I'm pretty sure he'll never take a seat at a poker table.

socialism has competition too, but capitalism involves the risk of capital to increase market share which grows the capital.

maybe that's lip service, I dunno.

wj
Methinks that belief in the advantages of capitalism does not require direct participation, but certainly evoke lip service, or as some might call it "noise" even if good noise.  Not everyone can afford to steer income away from chow and heating oil.
Socialism has competition, as you say.  However, methinks it is usually between government organizations trying to convince the central committee to give it more power to control more factions.  As it stands here in the good 'ol USA, our tendency is to assign economic models to political parties.  Not good, in my mind.  Good fodder for a couple beers, we can even ask matty to join us, I'd like to hear some of his reasoning behind topic deflections.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 18, 2019, 12:53:32 PM
NASA disagrees with you. They claim that we are at 400 ppm. They say the is the highest level they can ascertain by taking samples from glaciers. And that higher levels of carbon brought on higher temperatures. Thats NASA.

I previously stated that co2 levels are around 400 ppm, so there's no disagreement there. but co2 levels in the early 20th century were around 280 ppm, and it was warmer then than it is now according to the records of noaa and nasa. so is there a direct causal relationship between the 2? or are there other forces at work which are not as yet being recognized?

400 ppm is actually not the highest level in earth's history. if you look, you'll find that 400 is the highest in the last 800,000 years. that roughly corresponds to the history of mankind according to archeological records. before that timeframe however, levels were significantly higher and lower from time to time. so why the swings in co2 levels before man was a factor? and are those factors still at play, and which are the greatest contributing factors?

if we accept the premise that man's contribution to warming is indeed significant, how significantly has the climate warmed since man became a factor? how much natural warming occurred before the first piece of coal was burned by man, versus the last 200 years? 13,000 years ago, there were ice sheets a mile thick over northern new York, those were all gone before any fossil fuel use or increase in global co2. coincidentally, sea levels were hundreds of feet lower due to the water being locked into those ice sheets. sea levels rose rapidly as the ice melted, but are now rising much more slowly even at 400 ppm, because ice is not now melting nearly as fast as it was. current sea level rise is approximately 1 mm/yr, down significantly from even hundreds of years ago.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: Wax on September 19, 2019, 12:13:27 AM
At least wj says he hates unions, Trump is better at lying than seasoned politicians. He simply prefers "cheap labor" like the Republican party. Trump would never support the auto workers "strike" if he was in his second term. A long term UAW worker can afford to buy what they build. 

  Wax and Donald. Trump is a bif union supporter. Lot of votes there. He needs everyone he can get.
Construction workers prepare to battle former ally Trump
A powerful union group uneasy about a Labor Department apprenticeship proposal has “the potential to be a significant force in the 2020 election.”

By IAN KULLGREN 08/16/2019 05:03 AM EDT
Politico

One of the nation’s largest labor groups embraced Donald Trump at the start of his presidency, in hopes he would create construction jobs and retreat from proposals that might reduce workers’ wages.

But now the two sides are on the brink of war, endangering a key bloc of Trump’s support in Midwestern swing states in 2020.

At issue is a deal gone bad between Trump and North America’s Building Trades Unions over a Labor Department apprenticeship initiative, the politics of which have grown more complicated since last month’s ouster of Secretary Alexander Acosta
https://www.paunions.com/construction-workers-prepare-to-battle-former-ally-trump/
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 19, 2019, 09:46:07 AM
wages have increased, and jobs are more plentiful now.

American workers now know that their president cares about and is working for them. even at 3 am.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 19, 2019, 10:23:59 AM

  Trump seems Pro Union ? Does that piss you guys off.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 19, 2019, 12:18:46 PM
why would it? union workers are americans too, just a little misguided.

we aren't anti American like you, we are loyal americans.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 19, 2019, 12:33:45 PM

  You and most of your party seem anti union.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: riverrat on September 19, 2019, 03:38:54 PM
WJ    the left isn't bright enough to understand that we can disagree with some one else [union members] but we don't hate them. Like the wacko left insist every one must our your not a true Dem [communist] 
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: ghrit on September 19, 2019, 03:49:50 PM
WJ    the left isn't bright enough to understand that we can disagree with some one else [union members] but we don't hate them. Like the wacko left insist every one must our your not a true Dem [communist]
Rat, I think you are partly right.  However, por ol' matty not only doesn't understand, but jumps to conclusions, mostly based on misunderstanding what he reads.  Full marks to wax, the vehement unionist, but he DOES get that there can be differing opinions.  He dislikes the differences intensely, but at least acknowledges them.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: riverrat on September 19, 2019, 04:21:06 PM
problem is the WAX  type are few
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 19, 2019, 05:31:34 PM
WJ    the left isn't bright enough to understand that we can disagree with some one else [union members] but we don't hate them. Like the wacko left insist every one must our your not a true Dem [communist]

  You guys have been railing on unions here for 10 years.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 19, 2019, 05:55:16 PM
WJ    the left isn't bright enough to understand that we can disagree with some one else [union members] but we don't hate them. Like the wacko left insist every one must our your not a true Dem [communist]
Rat, I think you are partly right.  However, por ol' matty not only doesn't understand, but jumps to conclusions, mostly based on misunderstanding what he reads.  Full marks to wax, the vehement unionist, but he DOES get that there can be differing opinions.  He dislikes the differences intensely, but at least acknowledges them.

you guys haven't figured his game out yet?

he says he's a loyal democrat, he never says that he's a loyal American. and as a loyal democrat he tries to sew the seeds of discord everywhere he goes. black against white, rich against poor, union against non, American born against immigrant. he practices the politics of division as he was taught by Obama, the greatest divider the world has ever known.

it's all he knows. remember him asking for civil discussion? well, here we are as always, if he's involved in a discussion.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 19, 2019, 06:37:18 PM

  You are one hell of a spinner. Common knowledge
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: ghrit on September 19, 2019, 07:10:00 PM

  You are one hell of a spinner. Common knowledge
Matty, one thing that is common knowledge is that you are unable to stick to a subject.

wj, I think you may be overestimating matty's ability to deal from a stacked, planned, divisive deck.  I think, I really do, that it's random synaptic triggers that get transferred to the keyboard.

Loyal only to confusion, political party, religion, nationality, all are immaterial before confusion.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: riverrat on September 19, 2019, 08:20:17 PM
the comebacks are right out of a sixth graders hand book   soon it'll be [SO"S YOUR MOTHER]
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 19, 2019, 10:02:23 PM

  I have seen all you guys go on and on about unions. You all hate em. Except for Wax. So I mention that Trump seems pro union and I get call an anti American
  communist. Whatever.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 20, 2019, 07:27:53 AM
wj, I think you may be overestimating matty's ability to deal from a stacked, planned, divisive deck.  I think, I really do, that it's random synaptic triggers that get transferred to the keyboard.

g, I didn't say that he thought any of it up on his own. he's simply parroting what cnn tells him to think and do. it's learned behavior that he feels will keep his government benefits coming. like Pavlov's dogs, when dems promise him more free stuff, he starts screaming about trump collusion. (or whatever the trump haters lie of the day is)

he's a loyal democrat who doesn't need a tax cut, because he doesn't pay any taxes on the handouts they provide him with.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 20, 2019, 07:38:58 AM

  I dont need a tax cut. Looks like Trump is going to give me one though. WJ might not get. He not middle class.
  He rolling in the dough.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 20, 2019, 07:58:36 AM
wj, I think you may be overestimating matty's ability to deal from a stacked, planned, divisive deck.  I think, I really do, that it's random synaptic triggers that get transferred to the keyboard.

g, I didn't say that he thought any of it up on his own. he's simply parroting what cnn tells him to think and do. it's learned behavior that he feels will keep his government benefits coming. like Pavlov's dogs, when dems promise him more free stuff, he starts screaming about trump collusion. (or whatever the trump haters lie of the day is)

he's a loyal democrat who doesn't need a tax cut, because he doesn't pay any taxes on the handouts they provide him with.

wj

   Speaking of learned behavior. Is it Fox News in the morning. Then Rush in thr afternoon. Maybe a little Michael Savage. Then Fox News after dinner.
 
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 20, 2019, 08:27:19 AM
see g? more division.

look! he's rich, he's the enemy, we need to get his money so we don't have to work.

straight out of the liberal cnn playbook.

wj

Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 20, 2019, 08:31:39 AM
  Thats you regurgitating your boys. Dittoheads?
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 20, 2019, 09:06:53 AM
the comebacks are right out of a sixth graders hand book   soon it'll be [SO"S YOUR MOTHER]

and there ya go rat.

he's fun when ya hit that nerve though, ain't he.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: ghrit on September 20, 2019, 11:06:25 AM

  I dont need a tax cut.
Heh.  You've found out how to evade taxes entirely in true corrupt fashion?  (Who are you paying off?  I want to talk to himshimit about getting a break like you have.)
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 20, 2019, 12:20:33 PM
he don't pay taxes coz he don't work. that's not evasion, it's avoidance.

I mean think about it. he's on here all day, he doesn't need a tax cut, he wants us to pay a severance tax.

doesn't sound like a working man with gas royalties to me.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 20, 2019, 12:36:44 PM

  Im at work right now. Making good money today.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: ghrit on September 20, 2019, 12:45:28 PM

  Im at work right now. Making good money today.
Must be nice getting paid to waste time on the internet.  You in a union or have a relative that set up a featherbed for you?
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 20, 2019, 01:04:15 PM

  Nope. Never in a union. Dont really know any union people except Wax and some school teachers. Got a really good gig and Im good at it.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: kenneth12 on September 20, 2019, 02:39:11 PM
  Im at work right now. Making good money today.
It appears that in translation that you're getting paid to be on an internet forum(s)?
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: ghrit on September 20, 2019, 02:47:50 PM
  Im at work right now. Making good money today.
It appears that in translation that you're getting paid to be on an internet forum(s)?
Ken, he's a Cabot spy.  They forgot to get rid of the spy network when chessie nearly croaked.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 20, 2019, 04:34:52 PM
Got a really good gig and Im good at it.

playing video games, eating Cheetos and bothering adults on the internet.

yup, it's a great gig, and your ebt card gets loaded fresh each month. I'd be jealous if I didn't have any pride.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: aubrey on September 20, 2019, 04:38:02 PM
  Im at work right now. Making good money today.
It appears that in translation that you're getting paid to be on an internet forum(s)?

that's the most amusing part about his schtick. he actually seems to believe that he has people fooled into thinking that he is gainfully employed.

you'd think that he'd have more respect for the folks who provide him with those benefits through our taxes.

wj
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 20, 2019, 05:29:02 PM
  I could retire comfortably but l like my job. Plus the money is good. What is an ebt card?
  Is that what poor people use to buy food for their kids?
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: kenneth12 on September 20, 2019, 06:07:42 PM
What is an ebt card?
  Is that what poor people use to buy food for their kids?
Sounds like a disgusting insight into your real attitude towards the poor.  Real (working - you know that word Matty??) poor that I knew used to get meat on their table courtesy of my cousin-the-poacher who used to deliver pre-cut up deer meat to supplement their tables.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 20, 2019, 06:17:18 PM

 It is kind of disgusting I used the term poor. It used to be food stamps from the DPA located on South Main Street in Towanda.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: ghrit on September 20, 2019, 06:51:46 PM
  I could retire comfortably but l like my job. Plus the money is good. What is an ebt card?
  Is that what poor people use to buy food for their kids?
You don't dare to retire, your posslq would cut your throat in a week.  (Or maybe pssslq?)  You're just hiding out for most of the day to avoid conflict.  (And incidentally napping on a featherbed.)
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 20, 2019, 07:46:31 PM

 Yea. She would be pissed. She works from home. She likes it when Im out of the house.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: realman on September 21, 2019, 12:43:21 AM
Macal went to Killery Kiltons assassin school.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on September 22, 2019, 07:40:14 PM

  She got Bin Laden and Khaddafi.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: ghrit on September 22, 2019, 08:10:47 PM

  She got Bin Laden and Khaddafi.
Hooshe?
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: Wax on October 21, 2019, 12:37:33 AM
the war was planned before Bush was elected, along with a New Pearl Harbor. 

right. but bush also killed 3000 americans when he blew up the towers, right?

wj
Probably far less than 3000.  It"s 2019 and people still think the impossible is a fact. That"s why they get away with it. Have you ever flown a plane ?  My daughter has her pilots licenses and called the attacks impossible on 911.  A company that builds jets, and its owner Mr John Lear, demonstrates how its impossible "to even hit the building".  Tried it with many, many pilots with thousands of hours  on a 767 and not one succeeded .  I do understand how you all feel and are patriots.  What is a Patriot ?  A citizen willing to stand up to an enemy foreign or DOMESTIC. How many in our government were involved with 911 ? Probably a shocking number knew.  More than a trillion dollars in stocks were traded (days in advance) pre-911 and cashed out the day the market reopened. If you want to believe a guy in a cave with no cellphone service did it ! Carry on.  I should start a thread on the whole topic. And let people post the facts. Do this if you dare.  Search for facts, and you will come up empty handed. Take a few minutes and watch this video. Cal will not watch it, because  he is afraid the government will have a record of it. Of course he is correct. But what is one more when your talking millions.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRZ0sFqM514
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: Wax on October 21, 2019, 01:50:14 AM
the war was planned before Bush was elected, along with a New Pearl Harbor. 

right. but bush also killed 3000 americans when he blew up the towers, right?

wj
Probably far less than 3000.  It"s 2019 and people still think the impossible is a fact. That"s why they get away with it. Have you ever flown a plane ?  My daughter has her pilots licenses and called the attacks impossible on 911.  A company that builds jets, and its owner Mr John Lear, demonstrates how its impossible "to even hit the building".  Tried it with many, many pilots with thousands of hours  on a 767 and not one succeeded .  I do understand how you all feel and are patriots.  What is a Patriot ?  A citizen willing to stand up to an enemy foreign or DOMESTIC. How many in our government were involved with 911 ? Probably a shocking number knew.  More than a trillion dollars in stocks were traded (days in advance) pre-911 and cashed out the day the market reopened. If you want to believe a guy in a cave with no cellphone service did it ! Carry on.  I should start a thread on the whole topic. And let people post the facts. Do this if you dare.  Search for facts, and you will come up empty handed. Take a few minutes and watch this video. Cal will not watch it, because  he is afraid the government will have a record of it. Of course he is correct. But what is one more when your talking millions.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRZ0sFqM514
https://1buv.com/no-planes-a-9-11-documentary-by-hibbeler-productions/
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on October 21, 2019, 08:46:45 AM

  Im not watching it. I watch the plane on tv.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: ghrit on October 21, 2019, 11:14:51 AM

  Im not watching it. I watch the plane on tv.
I did watch, you missed nothing.  A very cleverly edited vid that, I guess, is supposed to support the idea that the whole thing was staged by the evil empire.  Just like the moon landing never happened, all the footage was done on a secret stage somewhere in secret by a secret dot gov organization funded by a secret overlord dark government.  Right.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on October 21, 2019, 01:24:58 PM

  Not buying any of that. I might be buying the climate change 'hoax'.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: windycamel on October 22, 2019, 06:28:35 PM
Now THERE is the WAX of old. Beeeutiful Baby. Oh Ya. Climate change takes hundreds of years to make a difference.. and humans who live 8 decades. Climate change might make a difference in a thousand years compared to humans remembering what happened 200 years ago, or even having a clue (like history class in high school).
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: Wax on October 23, 2019, 12:33:06 AM

  Im not watching it. I watch the plane on tv.
I did watch, you missed nothing.  A very cleverly edited vid that, I guess, is supposed to support the idea that the whole thing was staged by the evil empire.  Just like the moon landing never happened, all the footage was done on a secret stage somewhere in secret by a secret dot gov organization funded by a secret overlord dark government.  Right.
ghrit, you like to read ! Its not a long read, but it is from the criminals themselves. Basically planned a murder and carried it out. Read it and explain ?
https://cryptome.org/rad.htm

How about you watch Fox-5,  At 10-seconds into the video ? Explain why the fireman has a dress and high heels.  Explain why the firemen are hanging out just like a picnic. Certainly they were saving nobody.  I would say this film was done on two seperate days and photoshopped as the camera went up the side of the building.  It would be impossible for some people to believe, even if Bush went on trial and found guilty. Just like the invisible WMD"s we killed millions over and still at war.  People are brain dead to think this is what you do to other humans, that never harmed anyone. But they say abortion is murder. Insane to believe that why we torture defenseless populations.   
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwoxgwdxwoA
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: Wax on October 23, 2019, 01:05:10 AM

  Not buying any of that. I might be buying the climate change 'hoax'.
This is not the Kennedy era. During the 911 event, many brilliant cpu wizards recorded and shared data with other high tech people. This will never end until the guilty are imprisoned. Despite what they did, it is a country of laws. An attorney group "The Lawyers' Committee for 9/11 Inquiry" was formed and won the right to a trial. Thousands like myself donated combined millions, and awaiting a court date in NYC federal court.     
https://www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org

July, 24, 2019
New York Area Fire Commissioners Honor the 343 Fallen Firefighters by calling for a new 9/11 Investigation

They started off by saying the Pledge of Allegiance. Ten minutes later, they were reading the text of a resolution claiming the existence of “overwhelming evidence” that “pre-planted explosives . . . caused the destruction of the three World Trade Center buildings.

https://www.ff911truthandunity.org/post/new-york-area-fire-commissioners-honor-the-343-fallen-firefighters-by-calling-for-a-new-911-investig

Q: Can you explain the significance of the US Attorney
agreeing to present your petition (specifically any legal significance)?

A:  Because federal law (18 U.S.C. Section 3332) requires the
U.S. Attorney to present to a Special Grand Jury information submitted
by citizens regarding the commission of a federal crime, the U.S.
Attorney’s agreement to comply with this statute in our case is more
significant politically and in terms of the public interest than in
terms of establishing new legal precedent.

Q:  If the US Attorney believed that your case had little or
no merit, could he simply reject the petition outright?

A:  No, as noted above, federal law (18 U.S.C. Section 3332)
requires the U.S. Attorney to present to a Special Grand Jury
information submitted by citizens regarding the commission of a federal
crime. This is a mandatory duty. The U.S. Attorney had no discretion to
reject the petition.

Q:  Can you provide a timetable regarding how proceedings
will move forward?

A:  The law does not set a schedule for how quickly the U.S.
Attorney or the Special Grand Jury must act. Special Grand Juries are
empaneled for 18 months typically and their term may be extended. Given
the seriousness of the matter, we would hope and expect action within a
few months (not years).

Q:  When will the evidence be presented to the grand jury?

A:  The Lawyers’ Committee has offered to the U.S. Attorney
to present its evidence directly to the Special Grand Jury. We do not
yet know whether the U.S. Attorney will accept this offer.  If our offer
is not accepted, the U.S. Attorney will have the obligation to present
our evidence in our Petition to the Special Grand Jury and may or may
not announce a time frame for doing so.

Q:   Are there any remaining hurdles before this happens?

A: To our knowledge, the U.S. Attorney is free to start a
presentation of our evidence to the Special Grand Jury and may have
already initiated this process. The law prohibits a U.S. Attorney from
disclosing the proceedings that occur before a federal grand jury absent
a court order allowing such disclosure in special circumstances.

Q:   Are we talking weeks, months — maybe longer?

A:  We cannot answer this question with any more precision than
stated above.

Q:  If you had to make your case using just three pieces of
evidence/information, what would they be?

A:  If you have read our entire Petition, you understand that
there are about 20 categories of relevant evidence, and some categories
have numerous pieces of evidence or examples in the category. We are not
required to limit the evidence on which we rely and we do not choose to
do so here. Some of the most compelling evidence in our Petition from a
lay person’s perspective would likely include the testimony of
numerous First Responders who reported the sights and sounds of
explosions at the WTC on 9/11, the finding of high-tech explosives and
incendiaries residue in the WTC dust via chemical laboratory testing and
analysis; and the fact that to the naked eye the collapses of
WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7  all exhibit the characteristics of a controlled
demolition, as explained by the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth in
testimony presented to the Lawyers’ Committee in New York in a public
event in September of 2016.

Q:  How would you explain your case in brief, layman’s terms?

A:  If you see a bird on the lakeside and it walks like a duck
and quacks like a duck, it is likely a duck. First Responders saw and
heard, and reported, the sights and sounds of explosions at the WTC on
9/11. Chemical testing of the WTC dust shows the presence of high-tech
explosives and incendiaries. Videos of the collapse of WTC1, WTC2, and
WTC7 show for all to see to this day the characteristics of a
controlled demolition. The obvious conclusion from these key categories
of evidence is corroborated by numerous other categories of scientific
and technical evidence described in the Petition. The emperor (the
official story that the WTC buildings collapsed due to fires from the
aircraft attacks) has no clothes. As Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s
character, consulting detective Sherlock Holmes, is famous for stating,
when one has eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however
improbable, must be the truth. The complete collapse of these three WTC
buildings on 9/11 was caused by the use of pre-planted explosives and
incendiaries. No other theory fits all of the available evidence.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on October 23, 2019, 06:42:16 AM

  Wax. I have to object. This really isn't the place for that. Thats just me.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: ghrit on October 23, 2019, 09:19:31 AM

  Wax. I have to object. This really isn't the place for that. Thats just me.
It ain't just you.  We very seldom agree, matty, but in this case, we do.
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: Wax on October 24, 2019, 01:13:49 AM

  Wax. I have to object. This really isn't the place for that. Thats just me.
It ain't just you.  We very seldom agree, matty, but in this case, we do.
Really it's terbile, that the people savings lives that day (firemen) demand a real investigation, that should have been done 19-years ago.  I know, how difficult this is to discuss.  I was a Sergeant in the service.  I never gave 911 a second thought.  I am a very stubborn individual, that has a reason to like a car, or anything for that matter.  Why? I never pay anyone to do anything unless it's absolutely  impossible for me to fix it myself. If something breaks, the internet is very helpful.
About 10 years ago I had a third back surgery, and out of work for six months.  A fellow worker came to visit me in the hospital. He said: take this disk "911 In Plane Sight" and watch it, and then prove it wrong. You have a lot of time on your hands.
Watching it was the easy part, proving it wrong is a problem.  It was an emotional roller coaster for me.
I will not post anything more on this event. If someone wants anything more on the subject PM me.   
Title: Re: Untouched by climate change reality
Post by: macal on October 24, 2019, 05:38:57 AM

  Thanls Wax. No disrespect. Stick around. You got some good zingers.