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Untouched by climate change reality

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macal

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Re: Untouched by climate change reality
« Reply #90 on: September 18, 2019, 12:16:08 PM »
I am inclined to believe that man is accelerating climate change. To what degree I have no idea. A lot of people think it is and will have catastrophic conditions. Other think it is a hoax.
Im in the middle. Im selling natural gas.
 

first, lets separate the gas selling from global warming. we all want to sell gas, but few of us want to promote lies in order to do it. are you in favor of scaring kids into thinking that their world is soon gonna come to an end in order to make a few bucks?

on what basis do you believe that man is accelerating climate change? have you looked at the data? have you followed the series of dire warnings of imminent consequences to see if any of them have actually materialized? do you think that the leaders of this quasi religion are leading by example? because if they're not, it calls their claims and motives into question.

earth's climate is in constant flux. it's been way colder and hotter, and certainly more violent in the past. today, after several thousand years of human influence we are in a relatively calm interglacial period. a sweet spot, a goldilocks zone where we can support a huge population without fear of starvation. atmospheric co2 is an essential part of agricultural security, and we are nowhere near the "greenhouse" levels of the distant past. more co2 means more food, and a decreased need for heating fuel. labeling co2 as a pollutant is a ridiculous mischaracterization.

I will confess that I was previously inclined to accept the premise that the earth was warming up due to increasing co2 levels until I looked at the data, which clearly shows that that is not the case.

wj
  NASA disagrees with you. They claim that we are at 400 ppm. They say the is the highest level they can ascertain by taking samples from glaciers. And that higher levels of carbon brought on higher temperatures. Thats NASA.

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ghrit

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Re: Untouched by climate change reality
« Reply #91 on: September 18, 2019, 12:43:01 PM »
If indeed he's endorsing competition, he's at least giving lip service to capitalism.  Whether or not he's in the risk taking pool or not, well, we don't know and don't give a rodent's sphincter.  But I'm pretty sure he'll never take a seat at a poker table.

socialism has competition too, but capitalism involves the risk of capital to increase market share which grows the capital.

maybe that's lip service, I dunno.

wj
Methinks that belief in the advantages of capitalism does not require direct participation, but certainly evoke lip service, or as some might call it "noise" even if good noise.  Not everyone can afford to steer income away from chow and heating oil.
Socialism has competition, as you say.  However, methinks it is usually between government organizations trying to convince the central committee to give it more power to control more factions.  As it stands here in the good 'ol USA, our tendency is to assign economic models to political parties.  Not good, in my mind.  Good fodder for a couple beers, we can even ask matty to join us, I'd like to hear some of his reasoning behind topic deflections.
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aubrey

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Re: Untouched by climate change reality
« Reply #92 on: September 18, 2019, 12:53:32 PM »
NASA disagrees with you. They claim that we are at 400 ppm. They say the is the highest level they can ascertain by taking samples from glaciers. And that higher levels of carbon brought on higher temperatures. Thats NASA.

I previously stated that co2 levels are around 400 ppm, so there's no disagreement there. but co2 levels in the early 20th century were around 280 ppm, and it was warmer then than it is now according to the records of noaa and nasa. so is there a direct causal relationship between the 2? or are there other forces at work which are not as yet being recognized?

400 ppm is actually not the highest level in earth's history. if you look, you'll find that 400 is the highest in the last 800,000 years. that roughly corresponds to the history of mankind according to archeological records. before that timeframe however, levels were significantly higher and lower from time to time. so why the swings in co2 levels before man was a factor? and are those factors still at play, and which are the greatest contributing factors?

if we accept the premise that man's contribution to warming is indeed significant, how significantly has the climate warmed since man became a factor? how much natural warming occurred before the first piece of coal was burned by man, versus the last 200 years? 13,000 years ago, there were ice sheets a mile thick over northern new York, those were all gone before any fossil fuel use or increase in global co2. coincidentally, sea levels were hundreds of feet lower due to the water being locked into those ice sheets. sea levels rose rapidly as the ice melted, but are now rising much more slowly even at 400 ppm, because ice is not now melting nearly as fast as it was. current sea level rise is approximately 1 mm/yr, down significantly from even hundreds of years ago.

wj
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Wax

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Re: Untouched by climate change reality
« Reply #93 on: September 19, 2019, 12:13:27 AM »
At least wj says he hates unions, Trump is better at lying than seasoned politicians. He simply prefers "cheap labor" like the Republican party. Trump would never support the auto workers "strike" if he was in his second term. A long term UAW worker can afford to buy what they build. 

  Wax and Donald. Trump is a bif union supporter. Lot of votes there. He needs everyone he can get.
Construction workers prepare to battle former ally Trump
A powerful union group uneasy about a Labor Department apprenticeship proposal has “the potential to be a significant force in the 2020 election.”

By IAN KULLGREN 08/16/2019 05:03 AM EDT
Politico

One of the nation’s largest labor groups embraced Donald Trump at the start of his presidency, in hopes he would create construction jobs and retreat from proposals that might reduce workers’ wages.

But now the two sides are on the brink of war, endangering a key bloc of Trump’s support in Midwestern swing states in 2020.

At issue is a deal gone bad between Trump and North America’s Building Trades Unions over a Labor Department apprenticeship initiative, the politics of which have grown more complicated since last month’s ouster of Secretary Alexander Acosta
https://www.paunions.com/construction-workers-prepare-to-battle-former-ally-trump/

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aubrey

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Re: Untouched by climate change reality
« Reply #94 on: September 19, 2019, 09:46:07 AM »
wages have increased, and jobs are more plentiful now.

American workers now know that their president cares about and is working for them. even at 3 am.

wj
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macal

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Re: Untouched by climate change reality
« Reply #95 on: September 19, 2019, 10:23:59 AM »

  Trump seems Pro Union ? Does that piss you guys off.

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aubrey

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Re: Untouched by climate change reality
« Reply #96 on: September 19, 2019, 12:18:46 PM »
why would it? union workers are americans too, just a little misguided.

we aren't anti American like you, we are loyal americans.

wj
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macal

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Re: Untouched by climate change reality
« Reply #97 on: September 19, 2019, 12:33:45 PM »

  You and most of your party seem anti union.

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riverrat

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Re: Untouched by climate change reality
« Reply #98 on: September 19, 2019, 03:38:54 PM »
WJ    the left isn't bright enough to understand that we can disagree with some one else [union members] but we don't hate them. Like the wacko left insist every one must our your not a true Dem [communist] 

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ghrit

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Re: Untouched by climate change reality
« Reply #99 on: September 19, 2019, 03:49:50 PM »
WJ    the left isn't bright enough to understand that we can disagree with some one else [union members] but we don't hate them. Like the wacko left insist every one must our your not a true Dem [communist]
Rat, I think you are partly right.  However, por ol' matty not only doesn't understand, but jumps to conclusions, mostly based on misunderstanding what he reads.  Full marks to wax, the vehement unionist, but he DOES get that there can be differing opinions.  He dislikes the differences intensely, but at least acknowledges them.
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riverrat

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Re: Untouched by climate change reality
« Reply #100 on: September 19, 2019, 04:21:06 PM »
problem is the WAX  type are few

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macal

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Re: Untouched by climate change reality
« Reply #101 on: September 19, 2019, 05:31:34 PM »
WJ    the left isn't bright enough to understand that we can disagree with some one else [union members] but we don't hate them. Like the wacko left insist every one must our your not a true Dem [communist]

  You guys have been railing on unions here for 10 years.

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aubrey

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Re: Untouched by climate change reality
« Reply #102 on: September 19, 2019, 05:55:16 PM »
WJ    the left isn't bright enough to understand that we can disagree with some one else [union members] but we don't hate them. Like the wacko left insist every one must our your not a true Dem [communist]
Rat, I think you are partly right.  However, por ol' matty not only doesn't understand, but jumps to conclusions, mostly based on misunderstanding what he reads.  Full marks to wax, the vehement unionist, but he DOES get that there can be differing opinions.  He dislikes the differences intensely, but at least acknowledges them.

you guys haven't figured his game out yet?

he says he's a loyal democrat, he never says that he's a loyal American. and as a loyal democrat he tries to sew the seeds of discord everywhere he goes. black against white, rich against poor, union against non, American born against immigrant. he practices the politics of division as he was taught by Obama, the greatest divider the world has ever known.

it's all he knows. remember him asking for civil discussion? well, here we are as always, if he's involved in a discussion.

wj
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macal

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Re: Untouched by climate change reality
« Reply #103 on: September 19, 2019, 06:37:18 PM »

  You are one hell of a spinner. Common knowledge

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ghrit

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Re: Untouched by climate change reality
« Reply #104 on: September 19, 2019, 07:10:00 PM »

  You are one hell of a spinner. Common knowledge
Matty, one thing that is common knowledge is that you are unable to stick to a subject.

wj, I think you may be overestimating matty's ability to deal from a stacked, planned, divisive deck.  I think, I really do, that it's random synaptic triggers that get transferred to the keyboard.

Loyal only to confusion, political party, religion, nationality, all are immaterial before confusion.
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